[DeTomaso] machine ball joint to modify alignment

[boyd casey]

Thanks Ken and Chuck. That is the Modification I have heard off. I bought a
set of Dennis Quells camber locks last thursday.. So with my new Poly
graphite bushings , all new ball joints, tie rod ends, Koni's, brakes ,
rotors, calipers, tires , wheels,  and a guy in my new car club that knows
how to do a complete race car suspension set up and has  chassis scales and
is helping me install my new suspension  and set everything up I am
confident I will have the best handling Pantera that is possible working
with the components I have and the advice and help of my Pantera brethren.
Boyd

On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Someone also mentioned doing the camber lock kit the same time you make
> mods to increase caster, so you don't have to get the suspension aligned
> twice, and there is some overlap in doing the camber lock and modifying and
> shimming the ball joint.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On *Sat, 5/1/10, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] machine ball joint to modify alignment
> To: "'boyd casey'" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 3:09 PM
>
>
> Dear Boyd,
>
>             First: machining the upper ball joint mount will not change the
> camber.   The camber is changed by moving the upper ball joint in or out
> along the channel of the upper a arm where the ball joint mount sits.   OK,
> so the upper ball joint mount sits in the channel of the upper a arm and
> moves in and out to adjust camber.
>
>            Second: machining the upper ball joint mount will change the
> caster.  Machining it requires removal of the upper ball joint mount and
> removal of the ball joint.     A machinist then removes from the rear edge
> of the mount a small amount of material, say five-hundredths of an inch.
> You then replace the upper ball joint mount in its normal upper a arm
> channel, but you can now shift it rearwards five hundredths of an inch.
> That movement is maintained by placing five-hundredths of an inch of shims
> in front of the mount to provide snug fitment.  Replace the bolts and the
> new rearward position of the mount by our theoretical five-hundredths of an
> inch provides a rearward tilt of the vertical axis of the front wheel,
> which
> will add, perhaps, one or two degrees of Positive caster.   Positive caster
> is a good thing.
>
>            The rearward tilt of the wheel axis can be obtained by the
> modified front upper ball joint mount; by physically modifying the upper a
> arm; and by modifying the front upper and lower a arm bushings----or by a
> combination of techniques.  They all have advantages and disadvantages, but
> all produce the desirable increase in positive caster.
>
>           I hope this makes sense.
>
>
>               The Rookie Mechanic,  Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com<http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso-bounces@realbig.com>[mailto:
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> On
> Behalf Of boyd casey
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:49 PM
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] machine ball joint to modify alingment
>
> Can some one out line the procedure  for machining the ball joint to
> improve
> or increase the caster or camber available while alignment on a 73 Panteras
> suspension.
> Please explain the process and the principal if you know and can take the
> time to explain it. Thanks,
> Boyd
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