[DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 12 20:39:59 EDT 2010


Are there 2 different slave cylinders?  Mine has a hole tapped for a fitting.
 
Ken

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, STEVEN BLUM <steveblum2 at msn.com> wrote:


From: STEVEN BLUM <steveblum2 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, boyd411 at gmail.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 4:05 PM



The fitting connects the new braided line which replaces the old red tubing to the slave cyliner. The old red tubing threaded into the slave cylinder without the fitting. The new braided line and new slave required the adapter fitting.

Steve
P.O. Box 81 
Shoreham, N.Y. 11786 
H (631) 744-6118 
C (631) 235-1905






Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:45:45 -0700
From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
To: steveblum2 at msn.com; boyd411 at gmail.com
CC: detomaso at realbig.com






Is this for the slave end or the hard line end of the flexible line?

Ken

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
To: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:40 PM


When this happened SO Bill turned me on to a vendor that had that same part
for $4.50. He knew the correct size. I just wrote to him to see if he
remembers where he sent me and if he remembers the specs of the fitting.  My
experience was not with Wilkinson although Steve Wilkinson did sell me two
clutch master cylinders that were no good. He still claims that he is the
only vendor selling parts from the Detomaso factory , even though they have
been out of business for several  years. The current clutch master cylinders
are not being made to the correct specs. After the second one still didn't
work he suggested I use the inner parts from my old original master cylinder
(which is ridiculous) I think the new parts are being made in China. It's
just a guess but based on the fit , finish and failure to meet the factory
specs smells like China to me.

Boyd

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:27 PM, STEVEN BLUM <steveblum2 at msn.com> wrote:

>  Boyd,
>
> I agree with you. After I bought the flex line and the new slave cylinder
> from Wilkinson you would think he would include the fitting. I got the story
> that the slave cylinder I took off should have had the fitting on it. At the
> time I trusted him but from what I am reading now it appears we cannot trust
> any vendor. Sorry, I cannot include Hall in that, Tara has always been very
> honest with me.
>
> Steve
>
> P.O. Box 81
> Shoreham, N.Y. 11786
> H (631) 744-6118
> C (631) 235-1905
>
>
>
>
> > From: richard at hitecheng.on.ca
> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com; steveblum2 at msn.com
> > CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:28:32 -0400
>
> >
> > When I bought my braided hose from Wilkinson the fitting came with the
> hose.
> > It was the wrong fitting so I bought one at the local hardware store for
> > under $1.00. When I told Steve he sent me out one for free with no
> shipping
> > charges.
> > Richard Turpin
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:21 PM
> > To: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>
> > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
> >
> > > I was pissed off at what I perceived as being gaffed. What made it
> worse
> > > was
> > > the fact that the vendor in my case knew what I was doing and must have
> > > known that I needed this part to complete the upgrade to a stainless
> > > braided
> > > line from the red plastic line. He neglected to tell me I would need
> > > another part (other then what I thought was the complete conversion )
> To
> > > ad
> > > insult to injury I had to pay an additional $14.00 for shipping in
> > > addition
> > > to the outrageous overcharge for the part and the shipping charges I
> paid
> > > to
> > > have the Braided line sent. This A&N fitting could have been thrown in
> the
> > > box and it wouldn't have changed the shipping charges one cent! Now
> > > anytime
> > > I buy hardware (nuts , bolts or any part that is not a proprietary
> Pantera
> > > part) Ishop at conventionalhardware parts suppliers. The problem is
> that
> > > most vendors will not supply the information neccesary to obtain the
> parts
> > > (
> > > like diameter ,length, thread count) Just like they won't discuss the
> size
> > > of the wheels they sell. When you ask what the offset is they just say
> > > "Don't worry about it,they will fit!" I really motivates me to go out
> of
> > > my
> > > way to find alternative sources. We should really make an effort to
> create
> > > a
> > > data base of the various sizes and specs of the non proprietary Pantera
> > > parts and alternative sources to purchase them from. I expect the
> vendors
> > > to make a fair profit for stocking parts and their years of accumulated
> > > kowledge, but ten times the cost is out of line !
> > > Boyd
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, STEVEN BLUM <steveblum2 at msn.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> My thought also, having paid the $38.78 plus $10 shipping for one a
> few
> > >> months ago. I agree to supporting them but not to the point we feel
> > >> ripped
> > >> off.
> > >>
> > >> Steve
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > From: MZadony at fleetresponse.com
> > >> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >> > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:05 -0400
> > >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Hey whats up with this ???" $4.54 vs $38.78 ? I know that we have
> to
> > >> support our Pantera Vendors, but this piece is 8 1/2 times more
> expensive
> > >> at
> > >> a vendor. Myron--the other guy in Cleveland #6928 74 L.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ________________________________________
> > >> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of boyd casey [boyd411 at gmail.com]
> > >> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:11 PM
> > >> > To: Ken Green
> > >> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > >> >
> > >> > Check out this sight in the USA. Price is right too!
> > >> > http://www.aedmotorsport.com/Fragola/SteelBrakeAdapters.htm
> > >> >
> > >> > Boyd
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Dave,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > They are in china, not sure I like that.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ken
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > >> > > To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > >> > > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > >> > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:37 AM
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Looks like it might be this one from the kstbrakehose site Ken.
> > >> > > KFAA-05
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 7/16 " x 20NF
> > >> > >
> > >> > > M12 x 1.0
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It would go into the joint in the slave line beside the oilpan.
> > >> > > The end u p at the slave is fine.
> > >> > > dave
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ken Green wrote:
> > >> > > > Dave,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > This looks like the adapter on my slave, from the Wilkinson
> > >> > > > on-line catalog:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> http://www.panterapartsusa.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=05014A
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > It looks like this is the stock part, is it missing on your car?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Looks like a bunch of this stuff is here:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> http://www.kstbrakehose.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProgramShow.html?ProgramShow_ProgramID=c373e91fae1735bb8f6b901751ff29bc
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Ken
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Dave Londry /<davel at emspace.com>/* wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > >> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > >> > > > To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > >> > > > Cc: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > >> > > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:00 PM
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Ken
> > >> > > > The line fits directly onto the slave. That makes me think that
> > >> > > > it's an M12 1.0 inverted flare female at each end.
> > >> > > > So your adapter must be a M12 1.0 x 7/16 - 20 nipple
> > >> > > > I'll try asking Tara if they have such a thing.
> > >> > > > dave
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Ken Green wrote:
> > >> > > >> Dave,
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> It's always possible that parts have been changed on a 40
> > >> > > >> year old car, BUT, this is what I found. If anyone with their
> > >> > > >> car apart can verify what I found and described below, I will
> put
> > >> > > >> together a PDF doc with all the details.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> My clutch slave and MC have an M12 1.0 male threads and seal
> > >> > > >> to a line (or equivalent fitting) with an inverted fare.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> The solid line looks like a double inverted flare at both
> > >> > > >> ends and at the MC end has a male M12 1.0 fitting to screw into
> > >> > > >> the MC body and at the slave end has a female *7/16 20 *fitting
> > >> > > >> to mate to the flexible line.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> I don't have a flexible hose handy, but a male/male adapter
> > >> > > >> is screwed into the M12 1.0 thread in the slave and has a 7/16
> 20
> > >> > > >> thread male end for the flexible hose to screw onto (I guess
> they
> > >> > > >> used an off the shelf flexible hose with 7/16 20 threads on
> each
> > >> > > >> end?)
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> If you know what the slave end of your flexible hose is you
> > >> > > >> should be able to just order a fitting that mates it to the M12
> > >> > > >> 1.0 threads and a concave face to seal to the slave body. If
> the
> > >> > > >> adapter is on your slave, did you try removing it to see if the
> > >> > > >> flexible hose fits directly into the slave body?
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> I think the best solution is to buy a braided stainless hose
> > >> > > >> with M12 1.0 male thread as the slave end and 7/16 20 threads
> at
> > >> > > >> the hard line end, and matching the double inverted flare (i.e.
> a
> > >> > > >> 45 degree convex face) on the hard line and having a 45 degree
> > >> > > >> concave face on the other end, to match the solid line and the
> > >> > > >> slave body.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Ken
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> --- On *Sat, 7/10/10, Dave Londry /<davel at emspace.com>/*
> wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > >> > > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > >> > > >> To: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > >> > > >> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 9:59 PM
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> I recently bought a stainless-steel replacement for the red,
> > >> > > >> plastic
> > >> > > >> clutch-slave line, from Hall.
> > >> > > >> It came with 2 female flare-fittings and one of these fit
> > >> > > >> fine at the slave.
> > >> > > >> When I got to the other end I found the car also had a female
> > >> > > >> fitting.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> The line is a nice piece and I'd like to get it installed,
> > >> > > >> but I'll need
> > >> > > >> a nipple to connect the 2 female flare fittings.
> > >> > > >> Can you all help me out with the thread spec for the nipple
> > >> > > >> and also
> > >> > > >> what kind of supplier would carry a part like that.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> thanks
> > >> > > >> dave
> > >> > > >>
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