[DeTomaso] Fw: FW: Line to clutch slave.

Mon Jul 12 16:35:16 EDT 2010



>I bought the braided hose from Marino years ago. I went install it and it 
>clearly needed an adapter. When I told him it wouldn't fit, he said it 
>would. I didn't want to argue and just thought my line had been modified. 
>That hose is still sitting around somewhere....
> $14 for shipping a piece the size of a cherrio? I would never deal with 
> him again.
> Will
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>
> Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
>
>
>>I was pissed off at what I perceived as being gaffed. What made it worse 
>>was
>> the fact that the vendor in my case knew what I was doing and must have
>> known that I needed this part to complete the upgrade to a stainless 
>> braided
>> line  from the red plastic line. He neglected to tell me I would need
>> another part (other then what I thought was the complete conversion ) To 
>> ad
>> insult to injury I had to pay an additional $14.00 for shipping in 
>> addition
>> to the outrageous overcharge for the part and the shipping charges I paid 
>> to
>> have the Braided line sent. This A&N fitting could have been thrown in 
>> the
>> box and it wouldn't have changed the shipping charges  one cent! Now 
>> anytime
>> I buy hardware (nuts , bolts or any part that is not a proprietary 
>> Pantera
>> part) Ishop at conventionalhardware parts suppliers. The problem is that
>> most vendors will not supply the information neccesary to obtain the 
>> parts (
>> like diameter ,length, thread count) Just like they won't discuss the 
>> size
>> of the wheels they sell. When you ask what the offset is they just say
>> "Don't worry about it,they will fit!" I really motivates me to go out of 
>> my
>> way to find alternative sources. We should really make an effort to 
>> create a
>> data base of the various sizes and specs of the non proprietary Pantera
>> parts and alternative sources to  purchase them from. I expect the 
>> vendors
>> to make a fair profit for stocking parts and their years of accumulated
>> kowledge, but ten times the cost is out of line !
>> Boyd
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, STEVEN BLUM <steveblum2 at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My thought also, having paid the $38.78 plus $10 shipping for one a few
>>> months ago. I agree to supporting them but not to the point we feel 
>>> ripped
>>> off.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: MZadony at fleetresponse.com
>>> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:05 -0400
>>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
>>>  >
>>> > "Hey whats up with this ???" $4.54 vs $38.78 ? I know that we have to
>>> support our Pantera Vendors, but this piece is 8 1/2 times more 
>>> expensive at
>>> a vendor. Myron--the other guy in Cleveland #6928 74 L.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>>> Behalf Of boyd casey [boyd411 at gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:11 PM
>>> > To: Ken Green
>>> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
>>> >
>>> > Check out this sight in the USA. Price is right too!
>>> > http://www.aedmotorsport.com/Fragola/SteelBrakeAdapters.htm
>>> >
>>> > Boyd
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Dave,
>>> > >
>>> > > They are in china, not sure I like that.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ken
>>> > >
>>> > > --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>>> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
>>> > > To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> > > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:37 AM
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Looks like it might be this one from the kstbrakehose site Ken.
>>> > > KFAA-05
>>> > >
>>> > > 7/16 " x 20NF
>>> > >
>>> > > M12 x 1.0
>>> > >
>>> > > It would go into the joint in the slave line beside the oilpan.
>>> > > The end u p at the slave is fine.
>>> > > dave
>>> > >
>>> > > Ken Green wrote:
>>> > > > Dave,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > This looks like the adapter on my slave, from the Wilkinson
>>> > > > on-line catalog:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > http://www.panterapartsusa.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=05014A
>>> > > >
>>> > > > It looks like this is the stock part, is it missing on your car?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Looks like a bunch of this stuff is here:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> http://www.kstbrakehose.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProgramShow.html?ProgramShow_ProgramID=c373e91fae1735bb8f6b901751ff29bc
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Ken
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Dave Londry /<davel at emspace.com>/* wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
>>> > > > To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>> > > > Cc: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> > > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:00 PM
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Ken
>>> > > > The line fits directly onto the slave. That makes me think that
>>> > > > it's an M12 1.0 inverted flare female at each end.
>>> > > > So your adapter must be a M12 1.0 x 7/16 - 20 nipple
>>> > > > I'll try asking Tara if they have such a thing.
>>> > > > dave
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Ken Green wrote:
>>> > > >> Dave,
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> It's always possible that parts have been changed on a 40
>>> > > >> year old car, BUT, this is what I found. If anyone with their
>>> > > >> car apart can verify what I found and described below, I will put
>>> > > >> together a PDF doc with all the details.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> My clutch slave and MC have an M12 1.0 male threads and seal
>>> > > >> to a line (or equivalent fitting) with an inverted fare.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> The solid line looks like a double inverted flare at both
>>> > > >> ends and at the MC end has a male M12 1.0 fitting to screw into
>>> > > >> the MC body and at the slave end has a female *7/16 20 *fitting
>>> > > >> to mate to the flexible line.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> I don't have a flexible hose handy, but a male/male adapter
>>> > > >> is screwed into the M12 1.0 thread in the slave and has a 7/16 20
>>> > > >> thread male end for the flexible hose to screw onto (I guess they
>>> > > >> used an off the shelf flexible hose with 7/16 20 threads on each
>>> > > >> end?)
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> If you know what the slave end of your flexible hose is you
>>> > > >> should be able to just order a fitting that mates it to the M12
>>> > > >> 1.0 threads and a concave face to seal to the slave body. If the
>>> > > >> adapter is on your slave, did you try removing it to see if the
>>> > > >> flexible hose fits directly into the slave body?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> I think the best solution is to buy a braided stainless hose
>>> > > >> with M12 1.0 male thread as the slave end and 7/16 20 threads at
>>> > > >> the hard line end, and matching the double inverted flare (i.e. a
>>> > > >> 45 degree convex face) on the hard line and having a 45 degree
>>> > > >> concave face on the other end, to match the solid line and the
>>> > > >> slave body.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Ken
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> --- On *Sat, 7/10/10, Dave Londry /<davel at emspace.com>/* wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
>>> > > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
>>> > > >> To: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> > > >> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 9:59 PM
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> I recently bought a stainless-steel replacement for the red,
>>> > > >> plastic
>>> > > >> clutch-slave line, from Hall.
>>> > > >> It came with 2 female flare-fittings and one of these fit
>>> > > >> fine at the slave.
>>> > > >> When I got to the other end I found the car also had a female
>>> > > >> fitting.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> The line is a nice piece and I'd like to get it installed,
>>> > > >> but I'll need
>>> > > >> a nipple to connect the 2 female flare fittings.
>>> > > >> Can you all help me out with the thread spec for the nipple
>>> > > >> and also
>>> > > >> what kind of supplier would carry a part like that.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> thanks
>>> > > >> dave
>>> > > >>
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