[DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.

Mon Jul 12 16:21:39 EDT 2010

I was pissed off at what I perceived as being gaffed. What made it worse was
the fact that the vendor in my case knew what I was doing and must have
known that I needed this part to complete the upgrade to a stainless braided
line  from the red plastic line. He neglected to tell me I would need
another part (other then what I thought was the complete conversion ) To ad
insult to injury I had to pay an additional $14.00 for shipping in addition
to the outrageous overcharge for the part and the shipping charges I paid to
have the Braided line sent. This A&N fitting could have been thrown in the
box and it wouldn't have changed the shipping charges  one cent! Now anytime
I buy hardware (nuts , bolts or any part that is not a proprietary Pantera
part) Ishop at conventionalhardware parts suppliers. The problem is that
most vendors will not supply the information neccesary to obtain the parts (
like diameter ,length, thread count) Just like they won't discuss the size
of the wheels they sell. When you ask what the offset is they just say
"Don't worry about it,they will fit!" I really motivates me to go out of my
way to find alternative sources. We should really make an effort to create a
data base of the various sizes and specs of the non proprietary Pantera
parts and alternative sources to  purchase them from. I expect the vendors
to make a fair profit for stocking parts and their years of accumulated
kowledge, but ten times the cost is out of line !
Boyd

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, STEVEN BLUM <steveblum2 at msn.com> wrote:

>
> My thought also, having paid the $38.78 plus $10 shipping for one a few
> months ago. I agree to supporting them but not to the point we feel ripped
> off.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> > From: MZadony at fleetresponse.com
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:05 -0400
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Line to clutch slave.
>  >
> > "Hey whats up with this ???" $4.54 vs $38.78 ? I know that we have to
> support our Pantera Vendors, but this piece is 8 1/2 times more expensive at
> a vendor. Myron--the other guy in Cleveland #6928 74 L.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of boyd casey [boyd411 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:11 PM
> > To: Ken Green
> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> >
> > Check out this sight in the USA. Price is right too!
> > http://www.aedmotorsport.com/Fragola/SteelBrakeAdapters.htm
> >
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > They are in china, not sure I like that.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > > To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:37 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like it might be this one from the kstbrakehose site Ken.
> > > KFAA-05
> > >
> > > 7/16 " x 20NF
> > >
> > > M12 x 1.0
> > >
> > > It would go into the joint in the slave line beside the oilpan.
> > > The end u p at the slave is fine.
> > > dave
> > >
> > > Ken Green wrote:
> > > > Dave,
> > > >
> > > > This looks like the adapter on my slave, from the Wilkinson
> > > > on-line catalog:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.panterapartsusa.com/cgi-bin/detail.cgi?prod_id=05014A
> > > >
> > > > It looks like this is the stock part, is it missing on your car?
> > > >
> > > > Looks like a bunch of this stuff is here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.kstbrakehose.com/newEbiz1/EbizPortalFG/portal/html/ProgramShow.html?ProgramShow_ProgramID=c373e91fae1735bb8f6b901751ff29bc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Dave Londry /<davel at emspace.com>/* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > > > To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> > > > Cc: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:00 PM
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > > The line fits directly onto the slave. That makes me think that
> > > > it's an M12 1.0 inverted flare female at each end.
> > > > So your adapter must be a M12 1.0 x 7/16 - 20 nipple
> > > > I'll try asking Tara if they have such a thing.
> > > > dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken Green wrote:
> > > >> Dave,
> > > >>
> > > >> It's always possible that parts have been changed on a 40
> > > >> year old car, BUT, this is what I found. If anyone with their
> > > >> car apart can verify what I found and described below, I will put
> > > >> together a PDF doc with all the details.
> > > >>
> > > >> My clutch slave and MC have an M12 1.0 male threads and seal
> > > >> to a line (or equivalent fitting) with an inverted fare.
> > > >>
> > > >> The solid line looks like a double inverted flare at both
> > > >> ends and at the MC end has a male M12 1.0 fitting to screw into
> > > >> the MC body and at the slave end has a female *7/16 20 *fitting
> > > >> to mate to the flexible line.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't have a flexible hose handy, but a male/male adapter
> > > >> is screwed into the M12 1.0 thread in the slave and has a 7/16 20
> > > >> thread male end for the flexible hose to screw onto (I guess they
> > > >> used an off the shelf flexible hose with 7/16 20 threads on each
> > > >> end?)
> > > >>
> > > >> If you know what the slave end of your flexible hose is you
> > > >> should be able to just order a fitting that mates it to the M12
> > > >> 1.0 threads and a concave face to seal to the slave body. If the
> > > >> adapter is on your slave, did you try removing it to see if the
> > > >> flexible hose fits directly into the slave body?
> > > >>
> > > >> I think the best solution is to buy a braided stainless hose
> > > >> with M12 1.0 male thread as the slave end and 7/16 20 threads at
> > > >> the hard line end, and matching the double inverted flare (i.e. a
> > > >> 45 degree convex face) on the hard line and having a 45 degree
> > > >> concave face on the other end, to match the solid line and the
> > > >> slave body.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ken
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- On *Sat, 7/10/10, Dave Londry /<davel at emspace.com>/* wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> > > >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Line to clutch slave.
> > > >> To: "DeTomaso Forum" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > > >> Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 9:59 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> I recently bought a stainless-steel replacement for the red,
> > > >> plastic
> > > >> clutch-slave line, from Hall.
> > > >> It came with 2 female flare-fittings and one of these fit
> > > >> fine at the slave.
> > > >> When I got to the other end I found the car also had a female
> > > >> fitting.
> > > >>
> > > >> The line is a nice piece and I'd like to get it installed,
> > > >> but I'll need
> > > >> a nipple to connect the 2 female flare fittings.
> > > >> Can you all help me out with the thread spec for the nipple
> > > >> and also
> > > >> what kind of supplier would carry a part like that.
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> dave
> > > >>
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