[DeTomaso] Carpet or Not (Re: Asa's installing the roll cage)

[Julian Kift]

Asa Jay,

 

Does your Pantera have the rocker plate style seat belt mounts that cover large holes in the rockers?

 

Julian
 
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:59:42 -0800
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Carpet or Not (Re: Asa's installing the roll cage)
> 
> I think this has been very interesting and enlightening feedback, from 
> everyone. My Dad also went through Aviation Safety and Accident 
> Investigation School over 20 years ago. I have a lot of respect for that.
> 
> The carpet in my Pantera is original. It has some really nice (and 
> large) holes in it on the drivers side that are covered -nicely- with a 
> set of DeTomaso logo floor mats. It looks real pretty when all cleaned 
> up. You'd never know there were holes in the carpet.
> 
> Once I get this roll cage bolted down, on top the carpet (remember this 
> is a test fit), I'll have a perfect template. I can then take a nice 
> sharp blade to the carpet and cut out the area where the flange meets 
> the rocker. Remove the cage for powder coating, finish up the carpet 
> cut and I'll be set.
> 
> I'm using Grade 8 bolts for the assembly.
> 
> I don't intend to put this cat on it's roof, but then, who does? I 
> imagine Jim Saxon never planned his rollover either. I also don't plan 
> on going faster than Mad Dog..... unless I'm driving -his- Pantera. ;)
> 
> I'd just like to say I appreciated this insight and will be mindful of 
> it, as I think others should be as well.
> Thank you,
> Asa Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> 
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> 
> 1971 Mach I Mustang [ASA JAY]
> 1973 Pantera L 5533 [ASASCAT]
> 
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> 
> 
> MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 1/30/10 17 34 37, guson at home.se writes:
> >
> >
> > 
> >> Carpet between cage and car: Big time no-no IMO.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > If the cage is just there for looks (as most of them are), then it's not a 
> > problem. But if you're installing a roll cage with the idea that you might 
> > actually want it to function someday, then yes, you're absolutely right. 
> > It's critical that you get metal-to-metal contact between the feet of the 
> > roll cage, and the chassis of the car, which means the carpet HAS to go.
> >
> > Car crashes can be incredibly violent things. In an impact, the carpet 
> > would easily crush and allow the roll cage to move around. There is a shear 
> > plane there, and the bolts could easily shear and cause the roll cage to 
> > come loose, rendering it useless. That's one of the many things I learned 
> > (well, not about roll cages and carpet specifically, but rather more generally) 
> > when I went to the Air Force's crash investigation school. We studied 
> > failures that led to airplane crashes, as well as failures that took place 
> > during the course of crashes, and one of the important points that was stressed 
> > was that when two things that are supposed to be bolted together are tight, 
> > they are strong, but when the bolts are loose (which is what they would be if 
> > there was carpet between them), they are incredibly weak, and the weak link 
> > is the bolts.
> >
> > It would not surprise me if a roll cage that was bolted on top of carpet 
> > would fail tech, if the tech inspector noticed it.
> >
> > Figure out where the footprint of the cage is on the carpets, mark them, 
> > then cut the carpet there. If you don't want to leave the cage in place 
> > permanently, you can probably glue the carpet back in place on a semi-permanent 
> > basis, or come up with some other aesthetically pleasing solution.
> >
> > Mike
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