[DeTomaso] Flat crank V8

[Doug Braun]

Oh, I forgot to mention that this 730 HP, 9500 RPM motor was running
strangled by the NASCAR mandated carburetor restrictor plate.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mad Dog Antenucci [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:57 AM
  To: Doug Braun; boyd casey; De Tomaso List
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flat crank V8


  Yep....dats da compromise.....and even those bad boyz break! As Bob Benson
likes to say,
  "they-all-break-eventually".....

  Or you can pay $4-5 grand to a good engine builder and get 500+ RWHP
Cleveland stroker for your Pantera.

  It will last as long as that SVO cup motor assuming you ain't running
endurance or open road races at anything much above 6,000 R's. ;-) The
not-so-family secret is the Cleveland block is  a delicate flower and needs
lots of TLC ;-]>

  As Mike Trusty says, "I hate compromises"......so look and sound fast in a
Pantera but just keep compression and HP numbers under 600 and the R's
bouncing under 7K on acceleration and keep the sustained speeds under 6K and
it should last for hundreds of hours of street and race fun.....otherwise do
what most of you already do and that is just bench race or get out your
checkbook or platinum credit card and get ready to pay $30-35,000.

  Don't ask me how I know.


  Mad Dawg Antenucci
  Team Pantera Racing
  "No One Gets Out Alive"
  <www.openroadracing.com>





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  From: Doug Braun <doug at silicondesigns.com>
  To: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>; De Tomaso List <detomaso at realbig.com>
  Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 9:46:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flat crank V8

  Boyd,

      You don't have to destroke to get a 9000 RPM 351.  They happen all the
time
  in Winston cup racing but it'll cost you $30K+.  They start out with the
  strong siamesed bore 351 SVO block, add a $5000 crank, throw in a set of
  $3500 rods, run 13:1 compression, a top of the line $4000 Jessel rocker
  system, an expensive dry sump oiling system, etc.  Ten years ago I
  personally saw the data log of one of these engines where lap after lap
  during an hour and a half race it was turning 10,400 RPM at a particular
  place on the track.  This engine was producing 730 HP using a 3.5" stroke.
  Oh what a beautiful sound it made too.

  Doug Braun
  blue 73L #5505

  -----Original Message-----
  From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
  [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of boyd casey
  Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:21 PM
  To: De Tomaso List
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Flat crank V8


  Has anyone heard of a american V8 with a flat crank ( like a Ferrari or
  lambo).  And I know this may sound crazy to some of you but has anyone
heard
  of destroking a cleveland to  get a higher revving engine ( large bore
short
  stroke ) 8000 or 9000 rev's like the boss 302 that was used in the Trans
Am.
  I read that there was a Boss 3302 developed for the Trans am that
developed
  over 500 hp and turned 9000 rpm. Does any one know anything about specing
  out a build from a small block that generates over 500 hp and is good for
  8500 to 9500 rpm with out blowing up?. Also for those of you that are
  running the Modular engines do you know what kind of RPM's you can get out
  of the 4.6 DOHC. I read on the ford racing web sight that  the m-601-s302
  can be built to an engine with an max out put of 11200 hp and 8500
rpm.They
  don't say how to build it.
  Boyd