[DeTomaso] Vadar Inboard Brakes for Pantera

Fri Jan 8 19:14:06 EST 2010

I think there is an 'apples to pears' comparison here; The stock location of the rotor is inside the axle flange, but IMO not an 'inboard' brake in the sense you are describing for the Vader setup, you are talking about a system that reduces unsprung weight (Vader inboard) vs. a new hub carrier and brakes (Ken)

Secondly when you rebuild your stock axle it is very easy to switch to an outboard Wilwwod or Coleman hat that then makes it a cinch to exchange rotors etc., you don't need a new hub carrier unit to do that. I have exactly that with 12.1" dia. rotors on the rear with Sierra calipers and ain't no one gonna outbrake me into the first corner at Reno Fernley :>) (you had to be there last year......sadly RFR has closed). I believe the hub carrier unit is very capable and when upgraded with billet axles (that overcome teh fact the stock ax;les were slightly undersize) and the wider bearing as advocated by Mike Drew then it is a very robust unit. If someone reproduced that very unit in aluminum (as Hall did many years ago I believe) then that would be a very light robust unit and in addition remove unsprung weight. Plus having the advanatge of using all oem hardware if an owner chooses.

I have not seen detail or drawing design of Ken's hub carrier unit (I would like to see the detail) although have heard it talked about much (mostly by you :>), but do the hubs, rotors and brakes etc all really come in under $2500? I also understood that Ken's stub axle was a CV flange requiring you to upgrade to CV axles and corresponding ZF CV stub outs?  Question is how far do you want to go (or how deep a pockets) and what's your intended use, my car stops fine backing out the garage onto the driveway to wash it once a year......

Julian

> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:58:46 -0500
> From: boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: asajay at asajay.com
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Vadar Inboard Brakes for Pantera
> 
> >From what I remember the consensus was that with the stock brakes it is
> already a major PIA to remove the rotors with the in board brakes. The idea
> of having to remove the half shafts to do a brake job seems like even more
> trouble. I remember some of the old Jaguars had in board brakes right next
> to the differential. It made a brake jobs price north of $2000.00. ( and
> this was years ago) I think if you look at Ken Greens new billet riser it
> provides a new hubs, axles, bearings and replaces the half shafts with CV
> joints that have a mechanical advantage over half shafts when transfering
> power to the rear wheels . Kens also eliminate the need to have the bearings
> pressed out to remove the rotors. . I think when you compare the cost of the
> two conversions Ken's offers more benefits for a lower price. I remember
> when this was brought up several months ago (maybe longer ago then that) but
> I seem to remember some one pointing out some additional disadvantages and
> potential problems with Vaders inboard brake set up. It does look very cool
> though. ( All of these statements are just my opinion)
> Boyd
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> 
> > Ted brought this assembly to Vegas one year. It looks very nice.
> >
> > I think we've had conversations on this list about the advantages and
> > disadvantages of this method in the past. I can't remember the real
> > outcome of that. I think it was mostly neutral but I'm sure others
> > will remind me.
> >
> > Overall, I think Ted makes some -really- spiffy stuff and good
> > quality. And if you didn't know already, Ted's web pages are linked
> > from the POCA web site, under the STORE tab > Vendor List.
> >
> > Check out some of the other vendors listed for other quality parts and
> > accessories not generally available.
> >
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
> >
> > > Thanks Bob Levitt for turning me onto Ted Mitchells web site
> > > <http://web1.wavelinx.net/tmitch/pparts.htm>
> > >
> > > Besides the usual Vadar cool stuff (headlights, window regulators
> > > etc)Ted has developed an inboard brake kit for the rear of the
> > > Pantera.
> > >
> > > Check it out. Very cool stuff. Oh yea, its not stock ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Mad Dawg Antenucci
> > > Team Pantera Racing
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