[DeTomaso] Vadar Inboard Brakes for Pantera

Fri Jan 8 14:24:02 EST 2010

IMHO, unless you are building an all out track only race car, inboard brakes
is a bad idea.

I have had them on Sports Racers and a couple of XKE's.

The XKE's were expensive as heck to do ANYTHING, brakes esp.

They also fade more readily on street applications because you can't keep
going as fast as long to keep the brakes cool.

The Sports Racer's obviously went very fast, had specific ducting for brake
cooling.

Nor were they expensive regarding maintenance ( because I did all that
myself ) or access,( because the body parts all come off in 3 minutes)

I think on the street, you are going to have lots more fade and build up
additional heat inside the engine compartment, which now leads to
ducting and a lot of other boy racer mods that just add back the weight that
you thought you were removing (albeit in a different manner).

You would do better to remove outboard weight with lighter wheels for racing
use only, not pretty, but stronger and lighter.

My suggestion is just to get a really nice brake replacement set if you are
so inclined, I have the Precision Proformance Super Stopper II
kits and they will stop so fast you be able to dredge up childhood memories
of Church Camp  that were best left buried in the recesses of your mind.

or you can blow even more money on a Brembo 6 piston caliper set, or I
believe there is some recipe on the forum for Porsche 911GT brakes as well.

I just installed new nickel-cad plated rotors on the Magnum, vented,
drilled, with cross (?) thingees and  Hawk Ceramic pads,  together
that combination has made an amazing difference in stopping distance,
general feel and fading.

It also helps if you bed them properly when everything is new as a set.  I f
you want directions, i can share what works for me with anybody who asks.
There is a fine line between bedding in new rotors and pads and glazing or
warping a brand new set, so be careful,

Michael Shortt

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:59 PM, GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:

> I have been drooling over the Vador brakes for some time. The idea of
> removing the unsprung weight is nice but also getting larger brakes then
> what will fit in a 15" GR4 rim. I don't mind removing 1/2 shafts but
> that's only if the rotor needs work. It woud be different if it was my
> main source of transportation putting 15,000 miles a year on it.
>
> Gary
>
>
> boyd casey wrote:
> > >From what I remember the consensus was that with the stock brakes it is
> > already a major PIA to remove the rotors with the in board brakes. The
> idea
> > of having to remove the half shafts to do a brake job seems like even
> more
> > trouble. I remember some of the old Jaguars had in board brakes right
> next
> > to the differential. It made a brake jobs price north of $2000.00. ( and
> > this was years ago) I think if you look at Ken Greens  new billet riser
> it
> > provides a new hubs, axles, bearings and replaces the half shafts with CV
> > joints that have a mechanical advantage over half shafts when transfering
> > power to the rear wheels . Kens also eliminate the need to have the
> bearings
> > pressed out to remove the rotors. . I think when you compare the cost of
> the
> > two conversions Ken's offers more benefits for a lower price. I remember
> > when this was brought up several months ago (maybe longer ago then that)
> but
> > I seem to remember some one pointing out some additional disadvantages
> and
> > potential problems with Vaders inboard brake set up. It does look very
> cool
> > though. ( All of these statements are just my opinion)
> > Boyd
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Ted brought this assembly to Vegas one year.  It looks very nice.
> >>
> >> I think we've had conversations on this list about the advantages and
> >> disadvantages of this method in the past.  I can't remember the real
> >> outcome of that. I think it was mostly neutral but I'm sure others
> >> will remind me.
> >>
> >> Overall, I think Ted makes some -really- spiffy stuff and good
> >> quality.  And if you didn't know already, Ted's web pages are linked
> >> from the POCA web site, under the STORE tab > Vendor  List.
> >>
> >> Check out some of the other vendors listed for other quality parts and
> >> accessories not generally available.
> >>
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks Bob Levitt for turning me onto Ted Mitchells web site
> >>> <http://web1.wavelinx.net/tmitch/pparts.htm>
> >>>
> >>> Besides the usual Vadar cool stuff (headlights, window regulators
> >>> etc)Ted has developed an inboard brake kit for the rear of the
> >>> Pantera.
> >>>
> >>> Check it out. Very cool stuff. Oh yea, its not stock ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> >>> Team Pantera Racing
> >>> "No One Gets Out Alive"
> >>> www.teampanteraracing.com
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