[DeTomaso] Shipping from the USA to Europe to sell?

Mon Jan 4 04:00:00 EST 2010

The economy are still ok in Norway. We are wery lucky to have the oil. I think it must be Island you are referring to. Here in Norway the people who are benefit most is the ones that claims they have a body fault and manage to get under Government helt system. They will have a deson salary the rest of their life which are a werry good idea. When it was implemented it was a shame collecting money from but now a days nobody care. Many are steel healthy and even work on the side with out paying tax. I guess that’s one of the reason we are paying 45 - 50 % income tax , 2,3 $ a liter of gas, ridicules amount of import tax on cars + what ever we import we pay 25% VAT

--- Den søn 2010-01-03 skrev Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>:

> Fra: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Shipping from the USA to Europe to sell?
> Til: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Dato: Søndag 3. januar 2010 20.43
> Yes, the fees on top of the purchase
> price would be 91 kUSD. Just like the fees were said to be
> appr. 180 kUSD on top of the purchase price for a new Camaro
> the other day. I'd not call this a socialist tax per se,
> it's an effect of a country that doesn't have a domestic car
> industry. Luxury taxes on cars are similarly insane in
> Norway, Denmark and Finland. Sweden is more relaxed in
> comparison.
> 
> Regarding import costs, VAT and import duties are paid by
> the person importing the car and registering it in the EU
> country. Once registered no VAT is paid when a sale is made
> between private parties (at least where I live). If a dealer
> does the import and resells it's different. Selling a US
> registered but un-imported car in Europe is a very different
> matter price wise. Ask Charlie who had his US registered car
> shipped from Europe to the US when it was time to sell it.
> I'd guess that if someone shipped a US car and tried to sell
> it unregistered in Europe the price in USD would be
> marginally above the market price in the US. Europe is also
> not particularly homogeneous import wise so if a car was
> exported from France to the US you'd not be getting any
> relief by bringing it in through Germany. I seriously doubt
> that any relief would be given in any country on a car that
> was exported 30 years ago from that country anyway. If a car
> was exported as new it normally means that no local taxes
> were paid on it at the time of production and export.
> 
> Tomas
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: "gudmund frøland" <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> Cc: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Shipping from the USA to Europe to
> sell?
> 
> 
> > Let me be sure I understand. You are saying that you
> would have to pay
> > $91,000.00 US dollars just to register a salvage car
> you purchased for parts
> > if you wanted to register it in Norway?. I was
> thinking more along the lines
> > of selling a car in Germany or another country that
> has adopted the Euro and
> > who's economy is not as deeply rooted in Socialism as
> Norway.  If I remember
> > correctly Norway was having very serious economic
> problems but they also pay
> > students to attend college and to pursue what ever
> career path  interests
> > them ( like being an artist) don't they pay them to
> paint? Maybe I am
> > confusing Norway with Iceland. But in either case they
> are not the countries
> > that are on the Pinnacle of capitalist success and if
> you live in a country
> > that provides those kinds of social programs and
> support you have to xpect
> > the money to come from somewhere.  I was thinking
> of countries that have a
> > strong GDP and a relatively high per capita income and
> use the euro. My idea
> > was that the decline of the dollar vs the Euro might
> allow for a car being
> > sold in Euros and priced in Euros at a sales price
> that has remained
> > relatively unchanged in the local currency ( like here
> a Pantera is still
> > being offered at the same relative price in dollars as
> it was two or three
> > years ago in spite of the change in the exchange rate
> in euros to dollars)
> > So if the situation is the same in countries that use
> the Euro ( for
> > instance if a Pantera was being offered at an asking
> price in Euros at 35,
> > 000 to 45.000 Euros and a US car was brought to Europe
> and offered at that
> > price and sold in Euros there we be no difference
> realized by the European
> > customer , but the US seller would have gained around
> a 33% premium when the
> > Euros were converted back to dollars.  The Sales
> tax or VAT would be the
> > burden of the buyer as it always is.  And aside
> from any additional import
> > duty (imposed  in addition to the normal sales
> tax there would be no
> > difference to the buyer.) If one were to research the
> import duties and find
> > a way to minimize them  ( like a Pantera that was
> originally a grey market
> > car ) I don't think you have to pay duty to return an
> item that originated
> > in Europe to return it to Europe.  I could be
> wrong but for the kind of
> > premium we are talking about it is definitely
> something worth looking into
> > if one had a Pantera that they were considering
> selling.
> > Boyd
> > 
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, gudmund frøland
> <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>wrote:
> > 
> >> I am not shore how the tax are in Sweden but I
> have a 2003 mod Mustang
> >> Cobra. I bought it as a wreck and was to use just
> the Motor. If I would like
> >> to registrate that car here in Norway i would have
> to pay additional 91000
> >> US $ . That`s how the famous Norwegian tax work.
> Best regards     Gudmund
> >> Froiland
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Den søn 2010-01-03 skrev doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>:
> >>
> >> > Fra: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> >> > Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Shipping from the USA to
> Europe to sell?
> >> > Til: "de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >> > Kopi: joernco at online.no,
> Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
> >> > Dato: Søndag 3. januar 2010 18.34
> >> > interesting take on taxes in
> >> > sweden.  (is likely similar in
> norway?)  ;~)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-21-2009/the-stockholm-syndrome-pt--1
> >> >
> >> >
> >> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-22-2009/the-stockholm-syndrome-pt--2
> >> >
> >> > hippo gnu ears to all,
> >> >
> >> > doug s., #2602
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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