[DeTomaso] Ferrari 360 maintenance costs-- NPC
boyd casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Mon Feb 8 19:46:38 EST 2010
Vipers aren't cheap yet! I have seen 840's in the teens. I also thought we
were talking about a car to take the wife out to dinner in (that wasn't
expensive). Last time I checked (I am divorced now) my wife wouldn't be to
crazy about going out for the evening in a car with no top.
Boyd
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:42 PM, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I always thought a sedan was 4 doors and a two door was a coupe'. The 840
> and 850 are cool looking and they attract alot of attention due to their
> rareity but they are not really considered "Ultra High Performance" They
> have a high top speed ( once you remove the factory limit of 155) . You are
> not going to get pressed back in your seat by acceleration. The 850 csi
> (the top of the line) had a published 0 to 60 time of 5.3 seconds ,the 850i
> was 6.3 sec and the 840 a pokey 7.4 seconds. If you opt for the 850 csi you
> may not be paying Ferrari prices for service but it is by no means an
> economy car. the 12 cylinder 380 hp engine was fabricated by the M division
> of BMW and everything about it is as expensive as you would imagine. The 840
> is a nice daily driver especially if you have a Pantera when you want to get
> your adrenalin going. You can drive the 840 on rainy days.
> I should also mention that like several other "sporty cars" with back seats
> these are pretty much limited to children , amputees, or midgets.
> Boyd
> P.S. I managed a BMW dealership from 1992 to 1996
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:17 PM, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> An important fact anyone considering purchasing any BMW powered by the M
>> 60 40 engine (the 4 liter V8 used in the 540, 740, and 840 manufactured
>> between 1993 and 1995 is the problem with these early engines. This is a
>> copy of part of an article that describes the problem.
>> "BMW released the M60B30 and M60B40 V8's with the 93 model year 5,7 and 8
>> series. These engines ran until the 95 model year. From the 96 model year,
>> they were replaced by the M62B44. The 3.0L was dropped in the US, but the
>> rest of the world got the M62B35, a 3.5 litre V8.
>>
>> There are many rumours about the fate of the M60 engine, but only one is
>> true. The engines have been known to suffer damage to the cylinder bores
>> from the excessive amounts of sulphur in the US fuels.
>>
>> The blocks are made of Nikasil, which is Aluminum impregnated with Nickel
>> and Silicone. Apparently , sulphur reacts adversely with the Nickel ,
>> causing very slight blemishes in the top few millimetres of the cylinder
>> bore. The cylinder bores are crosshatched, which is the name given to a
>> pattern scratched into the surface of the cylinder wall. These scratches
>> help seat and seal the piston rings, allowing good compression.
>>
>> When the cylinder walls become damaged, the piston rings can no longer
>> seal properly. As a result, the engine suffers from "leak down". This is the
>> term given for the amount of air that can escape past the piston as it
>> attempts to compress the air into the combustion chamber. A near new engine
>> , in good condition, should have a leak down rating of approximately 5-8%.
>> BMW's maximum allowable leak down , on any engine, is 15%. Anything beyond
>> that requires repair to the engine.
>>
>> Leak down can also be caused by poorly seated valves.
>>
>> The problem in the V8's manifests itself as an EXCESSIVELY rough idle.
>> These engines, due to their performance oriented cam shafts, have a
>> noticeable "rock" at idle, this is completely normal. However, excessively
>> rough idle will cause the entire car to shake, usually unevenly. The problem
>> can also cause the engine to lose so much compression that it will no longer
>> start."
>> There is a performance chip that you can install in the ECU that removes
>> the factory top speed limit and make substantial improvements to
>> performance. This is some information about the performance attributes of
>> the chip when used in a 740.This is information I copied from the web not
>> first hand opinion or experience.
>> "*Turner Motorsports (Jim Conforti) chip *I have not seen any improvement
>> or decrease in fuel mileage (I get 19 MPG around town, and 25-27 MPG on the
>> highway), but the engine chip has made a world of difference in tip-in
>> response, acceleration, and drivability. The idle is smoother and the there
>> is more power available throughout the rev range, especially at partial
>> throttle. In stock form, the V8 doesn't really start pulling until 3000 RPM
>> and then it quickly loses steam at higher RPMs once beyond the "sweet spot."
>> The chip dramatically increases low-RPM grunt and continues pulling up top.
>> Redline is raised to 7000 RPM, and there is no top speed limiter. Turner
>> Motorsport quotes gains of 19 horsepower and 33 lb-ft of torque at 3000 RPM.
>> The only real compromise as far as fuel economy is the requirement for
>> premium gasoline."
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/8/10 1:26:05 PM, garth_rodericks at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Agreed. The BMW 840 is already on the list. Remarkable how
>>> inexpensively
>>> > those can be had for now.
>>> >
>>>
>>> About a year ago I was at the Technik Museum Speyer in Germany:
>>>
>>> http://speyer.technik-museum.de/node/649
>>>
>>> And a BMW 840/850 club had a meeting there. There were probably 50-75
>>> cars in a corner of the parking lot; I'd never seen more than one of them
>>> at
>>> any given time, and hadn't seen a single one in years. I spent a lot of
>>> time
>>> looking them over; some were very original and some were modified. The
>>> later cars had better wheels etc. than the early ones, but all of them
>>> were
>>> very, very nice. I think most of them sold in the USA had the automatic
>>> transmission, while the ones in Germany were more like 50/50.
>>>
>>> I think John Zeedick needs to get one of these to replace his Pantera,
>>> until he can get back in the Pantera saddle again....
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA
>>>
>>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/
>>>
>>> DeTomaso mailing list
>>> DeTomaso at list.realbig.com
>>> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
>>>
>>
>>
>
More information about the DeTomaso
mailing list