[DeTomaso] Ferrari 360 maintenance costs-- NPC

[LS]

I've owned 4 Ferraris and a Countach. All the horror stories are complete BS. These are regular cars with overbuilt engines and transmissions.

I have always maintained mine religiously, mostly myself.  No weird failures or repairs, but parts are expensive. Out of all the cars, I replaced a set of points, one brake master cyl, and retapped an oil drain plug hole. Other than that, it was routine. Also very important is to drive them often.

The numbers may be accurate, but what cars are actually needing all of these items? Maybe if they were poorly purchased used. One of my buddies has been daily driving his 360 since new and has 60k miles on it. He hasn't done much beyond regular services. Clutch is original. 

I personally know about 50 people with Ferraris and over the last 12 years and have only heard of one timing belt failure.

Of course Ferrari recommends 3 yrs...it's a good business model. They would recommend 12 months if they could get people to believe it. It's fear...they will throw out the $35k rebuild cost so everyone will line up at the service department.

I know of three 308s with over 100k with no rebuilds, two have their original clutches. I also know of a few TRs with over 100k and another with almost 200k with no engine or trans repairs. The 200k one has had a clutch replaced once.

LS




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From: "pantdino at aol.com" <pantdino at aol.com>
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Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 2:33:27 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ferrari 360 maintenance costs-- NPC

Or it may be your friends have been lucky so far.
I put this up on Ferrarichat and no one said the numbers were unreasonable except perhaps the depreciation was too high.

The belts used to be a 5 yrs service, but Ferrari currently recommends 3 yrs because of the number of failures that have occurred. If it breaks you're probably talking $30K.



 


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From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se; Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
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Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ferrari 360 maintenance costs-- NPC


360s are well built. I have many friends with them and they don't require 
anywhere near this amount of maintenance.

Belts are every 5 yrs and the service is fairly straightforwards...$3k to do.

Some of the other items listed are worst case scenario. I have two friends that 
have put 30k on F1 clutches and they are fine. There may be a few sporadic 
issues but nothing near $60k for 15k miles.

The 355 on the other hand could be a mess!

LS



----- Original Message ----
From: "hemipanter at hemipanter.se" <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>
To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 12:59:55 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ferrari 360 maintenance costs-- NPC

We do not have to be to scared of working at Ferraris, we changed a clutch
here last summer without problem. If I had a 360 I would have put a Hemi
in it anyway, to make the car move. How about that statement?
Goran

> I've often heard the most expensive car in the world is a used Ferrari,
> now
> I can see why.
>
> Mike Thomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:21 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ferrari 360 maintenance costs-- NPC
>
>
> I've noted that the early Ferrari 360's have come down into the $70K
> range,
> so I was getting an idea of what the ownership costs would be.
>
> If your wife complains about how much you spend on your Pantera, show her
> these numbers:
>
> The cams are driven by a toothed belt that has to be replaced every 3 yrs
> regardless of mileage. The variators are what advance the exhaust cam. If
> one breaks the cam stops turning and you bend all the valves. The F1
> actuator is what shifts the paddle gearbox. Actually it's more like $13K
> to
> fix but I'm deducting some because failures are not super common. Very few
> clutches last 20,000 miles.
>
> To be fair, any of us could probably do our own annual fluid changes and
> save $900 per year.
>
> -----------------------
>
> FERRARI 360 SERVICE COSTS for 6 yrs and 15,000 miles . Assuming purchase
> price of $70K, belts, variators, and annual service recently done.
>
>
> Belts every 3 yrs x 2 = 6K
> variators every 3 yrs x 2 = 1K
> Clutch assuming 15M life = 5K
> Annual service @ $1K per yr = 6K
> Tires x2 @1K each = 2K
> Depreciation @10% of value per yr = 33K
> F1 pump and actuator repair = 10K
>
> TOTAL 63K-- maybe less if the car does not depreciate as much as the
> Maserati coupes have.
>
>
>
>
>
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