[DeTomaso] Pantera Roller with V6 from 87 GN

[michael@michaelshortt.com]

Want to be really radical?  Build it with the engine offset into the
passenger area like those modifed cars or the Smokey Yunick Sidewinder Indy
car, then run a device like a transfer box to a short drive shaft to the
tranny.  ESP. Since handing isn't an issue.   Michael Shortt
On Dec 27, 2010 7:36 PM, "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Guys
>
> I believe there was something said at the beginning of this thread about
moving the V6 and Trans forward and maybe use a short drive line to a solid
rear Axel if everything fit?
>
> Back in the early 60s a guy named Bill Thomas was developing a car (The
Cheetah) with Chevy's help.To be a Cobra killer! Of coarse Chevy backed out,
and then there was a Factory fire...So the rest is History? They did build a
few cars and they where very fast but squirrelly? They are building a
continuation Cheetah (kinda like the C.S. Cobra) but that's another story.
>
> What I was getting at...the Cheetah even though it was not a Mid Engine
car had the engine set back so far that it did not use a drive
line...Engine-Trans-Ujoint-Rear Axel. If there was room, maybe that type of
set up might work??? Again if there was room.
>
> My .02 cents
> Curt
> Always liked the Cheetah, might trade for a nice one?
>
> --- On Mon, 12/27/10, clay willmott <claywillmott at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: clay willmott <claywillmott at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Roller with V6 from 87 GN
> To: jderyke at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 3:31 PM
>
>
> I don't prefer automatics for sport street driving but to launch at 20
pounds on boost and run 8 and 9 second quarter miles I do prefer an
automatic.
> My mild 87 GN wieghs 3650 and runs high nines with mild tune I think a
hotter engine in a lighter Pantera would run high 8s easily.
> Seems an auto would be easier to get it done except it won't fit easily.
> I know how to launch at boost with a proper TC and electric brake not sure
how easy that is with a clutch to get boost up like that??   If I do it I
think I will put 5 speed in and see how it goes.  Will be a lot faster than
my 351C and get great mpg when not wot.
>
>> From: JDeRyke at aol.com
>> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:15:53 -0500
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Roller with V6 from 87 GN
>>
>> In a message dated 12/27/10 5:04:27 AM, bob at dodgecarroll.com writes:
>>
>> > I think Peter may be on the right track by suggesting an early Olds
>> > Toronado tranny. Pretty
>> > compact & has been used in many drag race cars over the years. Not sure

>> > what it would take
>> > to adapt it to your V6 though? These early trannys didn't require you
to
>> > mount your engine
>> > sideways - it could mount like the original ZF.
>> >
>> They were also quite wide with the tranny alongside the diff, which might

>> make fitting it in between the rather narrow Pantera frame rails a big
>> problem. Even with the 6-speed   Ford GT trans, its also too wide
requiring the
>> rear suspension pickup points to be moved and custom a-arms fabricated-
which
>> changes the excellent geometry we now have. And early Toronado transaxles

>> were all iron- the later ones were in aluminum cases. Not saying it won't
fit,
>> but an automatic in a sportscar? Why bother? FWIW- J DeRyke
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