[DeTomaso] California engine swap exemption question

Wed Dec 15 20:45:12 EST 2010

I'm pretty sure it was 1967 that the first PCVs appeared.
I had a 1966 Jag E-type that I'm 99% sure didn't have anything.

Anyway, my 1964 Fiat does not have one and the inspector didn't say anything.

JIm

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From: Dan Mixon <tipo874 at comcast.net>
To: 'Pantdino' <pantdino at aol.com>; rlbpantera at earthlink.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 15, 2010 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] California engine swap exemption question

In Calif in 1964 you had to have a PCV system. If you brought a car into
alif that did not have a PCV system, you had to retrofit unless there was
ot a retrofit kit available. Calif even made cars back into the 50's
etrofit a PCV system. Ruined a lot of valve covers and air cleaners.

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ehalf Of Pantdino
ent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 22:31
o: rlbpantera at earthlink.net; detomaso at realbig.com
ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] California engine swap exemption question

Steve--
I believe Richard is right-- IIRC part of Steve Wilkinson's expenses in
oing the swaps was getting a CARB exeption / approval (or whatever they
erm it) for them.
So if that paperwork is not with the car you should just get it from Steve
nd you're good to go.

ther information that might or might not be useful to guys on the list:
 when I bought my 1973 Pantera in 1989 it had last been registered in
entucky and never in CA. 
hat was before the car was 25 years old, so it had to pass smog.  But I
lso had to take it to the DMV to have an inspector look at it and the VIN
ags, etc to make sure it was really what I claimed it was (and not a
illion dollar Ferrari, I suppose :-)) and hadn't had the VIN changed, etc
Same thing when I imported my 1964 Fiat Abarth from Gemany in 2007.  I don't
hink the Auto Club can do this.
My understanding is that technically 1974 and older cars are exempt from
iannual inspections but it is still illegal to remove the smog equipment
hey were sold with.
hat's why there was some talk of the CHP setting up devices at the
oadsides where exotic cars cruise which can sense the emissions emitted by
assing cars.  If someone had a gross polluter they would pull the guy over
nd check what he had under the hood.  I don't think it has actually
appened, but it could. (Maybe there's an upside to budget deficits?)
For people with swaps who don't have a CARB number--  I don't know how
losely the DMV and the Air Resources Board work together--  if the DMV guy
oesn't realize that's not the stock engine, you should be OK.
Smog checks are NOT required when transferring ownership or ( I believe) for
ars newly registered in CA.  There were no emissions standards or equipment
n 1964, so my experience with the Fiat doesn't tell us anything.

im Oddie

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rom: Richard Barkley <rlbpantera at earthlink.net>
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ent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 6:11 pm
ubject: Re: [DeTomaso] California engine swap exemption question

Stephen,
ike and Steven might be right (that you can register it without a smog
eck, or inspection, or reclassification), but maybe not.
 found this on the web:
Ski,
 think the interpretation/translation is that if you own a car between
6 and '75 you don't have to get a smog check every other year (like
l other cars), but you DO have to get one before you can register it
 a new owner.
or many years we had a rolling smog-exemption--every year another model
ar was added to the exempt list. In 1997, the rule was changed and the
empt year was frozen at 1974. Much gnashing of teeth amongst owners of
5's and later cars. I had been assuming that a '73 was home free,
til I found this additional bit of data."
tp://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/914-914-6-forum/412010-california-smog-
ules-and-old-cars.html
ut it was my understanding when I was doing my 4.6 conversion that
eve Wilkionson got an official CA smog certification for the cars that
 converted. Purgold was one of them. Give Steve a call at
2-634-3434, I'm sure he'd love to hear from you and know Purgold is in
od hands.
ichard
 Stephen VamVaketis vamvaketis at gmail.com
Mon Dec 13 09:51:51 CST 2010
> I have a question for those who have knowledge about California
registration and smog check exemption rules. I recently bought
Purgold, a 1973 that was registered in California for many years.
However, after being put up for auction, it did get registered in
South Dakota in 2008 before being purchased this year by a private
dealer in Oregon who I bought the car from. Purgold had a Ford 4.6
engine with fuel injection installed, so it is an engine swap car. I
understand the difference between smog check and total smog exemption.
The car has been worked on since I bought it in September, so I have
not registered it yet. I understand I was supposed to do this within
10 days from buying the car, but can get that altered. My question is,
is there some kind of exception to the California smog rules where a
newer engine swap requires that the car get reclassified to the newer
engine year (1994, I think) smog rules? Since the 4.6 is a cleaner
engine than the Cleveland, my hope is there is some kind of waiver
that can allow me to re-register the car in California with the newer
engine and still maintain the car as a 1973, my primary concern. I've
been doing some research on this topic but haven't found a
comprehensive answer to my specific situation. Unless, of course,
there is no such option as any kind of engine swap waiver.
 Thanks in advance to anyone who can either answer my question and/or
provide a viable (cost effective, practical, etc.) alternative.
 Steve "Catbert"

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