[DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

Tue Dec 7 15:51:53 EST 2010

Of course JC.

:-)

Torbjorn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jørn C. Olsen" <joernco at online.no>
To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "'John Bentley'" 
<gndplne at yahoo.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>; "'Torbjørn Harlem'" 
<torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

> Make love, not war guys!!!!!!!!!
> We are all on the same side here!!!!
>
> J.C.
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] På
> vegne av Ken Green
> Sendt: 7. desember 2010 18:13
> Til: John Bentley; detomaso at realbig.com; Torbjørn Harlem
> Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> I think John was just reacting the conclusion jumping in earlier posts. 
> But
> it is a pretty sparce description, and I think the seller doesn't have 
> much
> of a chance to get a good price IF it is a solid car.
>
> I think one big issue with a car like this is how much all the
> missing little stuff costs. It's not just a matter of being able and
> willing to do the work, the little parts that are needed can run into the
> thousands really quickly.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Torbjørn Harlem <torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no> wrote:
>
>
> From: Torbjørn Harlem <torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
> To: "John Bentley" <gndplne at yahoo.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 5:22 AM
>
>
> Hi. John
> Why do you wtf? me.?
>
> Are the questions I send to the seller an abuse or something?
> I asked him ( for me) a totally normal question about his project.
> And my mail was not at all anonymous.
>
>
>
> No rust issue he stated. Is it brown paint at the doors? Is it not normal 
> to
> ask for more or better pics when you interested in a project. The car is
> stated to be in bare metal. Is it?
>
> About the price: isn't that what Ebay is all about the seller and buyers
> market. Both parts trying to get the best out of the deal. And I not 
> stated
> that it was my final offer!
>
> Transaxle question wasn't even asked. Because No one can tell the status 
> of
> it, with just looking on it from the outside.
>
> So I don't understand your sarcasm .It's my first time ever on this forum
> that it happened. Perhaps I`m too stupid or dumb too understand a foreign
> add , but I have mannish too buy some items on Ebay before .Even a car in
> fact.
>
> Howe can I trust a guy you say it's ok?
>
>
> I just know a couple names in the Usa that I'll trust 100% regarding money
> issues. Do you think his add at Ebay look like a pro car dealers? , since 
> he
> was dealing all the Panteras ( GT5, GT4 and Gr 3) imported to the Usa true
> the `80`s. I would expect a more informative add.
>
>
>
>
> Sorry if I be too eager to get some info about a project I try to buy for 
> a
> Pantera friend of mine. But that's the way I learn too do business.
>
> Best regards from Norway.
> (Hope you understand my bad English spelling)
>
> Torbjorn Harlem
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of John Bentley
> Sent: 7. desember 2010 08:00
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> you guys are all waaaay too skeptical. If Dick says he's a straight-up 
> guy,
> wtf? What else did you find out? Is the trans good? Other pictures? Did
> you call him or send him an anonymous email? Sounds like a witch
> hunt.........and not the good kind.
>
> Being able to accurately articulate the condition is nice, but that's why 
> we
> have a group of guys willing to step up and vouch for a person or look at 
> a
> car for the good of the team. Geezus.
>
> Hmmm, he listed the car for 20 and he didn't take 15? Must be a
> scoundrel.....
>
> JB
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Torbjørn Harlem <torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no> wrote:
>
> From: Torbjørn Harlem <torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
> To: spkorb at gmail.com, "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 10:27 PM
>
> I offered him $15,000,- if I get the Vin and some more pics of the car.
>
> Offer not accepted. And he answered me with that "funny" mail Mike D.
> forwarded.
>
> Torbjorn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Sean Korb
> Sent: 7. desember 2010 03:46
> To: boyd casey
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> I think that's a fair price to ask if it has a working ZF... and if all 
> the
> trim and interior pieces are there and the title is in his name. Georgia
> doesn't require a title for a car that old, but if I were to try to title 
> it
> in North Carolina I would need the last 3 sales/transfer receipts. If I 
> was
> looking for a car I might offer him $14-$15k. It doesn't hurt to ask, but
> the price does keep away lowballers offering $8k or less.
>
> sean
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Everything else aside I was surprised that he thought $19,500 was "below
>> market" Either the market has improved dramatically or I am missing
>> something.
>> Boyd
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:17 PM, <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Yea... I guess I can understand that.
>> >
>> >
>> > Asa Jay
>> >
>> > Quoting bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>:
>> >
>> > > I think I know why he is not disclosing the vin.. Do we all remember
>> > > 4001 That was t boned in Canada, Fixed back, or pieced back.
>> > > Anyway the new seller put it on Ebay. And one of our alert listers
>> > > posted a pic of it wrecked for sale for a dollar. Just to alert a
>> > > potential buyer. Bill 1362
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> > >> Sent: Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM
>> > >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>> > >>
>> > >> Dick,
>> > >>
>> > >> I love you man, but if this is true, he needs to re-think his
> listing.
>> > >> If he is that knowledgeable he needs to point out if the car is an L
>> > >> or pre-L and not let his vague descriptions try to communicate that.
>> > >> He also needs to be forthcoming with the VIN. It's BS that he
> doesn't
>> > >> provide it. All Panteras have a VIN, including the one hes listed.
>> > >> Has it been removed? Why? It should be stamped on the footbox, so
> if
>> > >> it's not there, why isn't it there? he should know this.
>> > >>
>> > >> Honestly,the listing looks like it was written by a 16 year old, not
>> > >> someone who used to import and knows Panteras.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Just my two cents,
>> > >> Asa Jay
>> > >>
>> > >> Quoting Dick Koch <arkoch at earthlink.net>:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Mike, . I just got off the phone with Guy a few minutes ago, BS'ing
>> > >>> about old times. He is for real as well as the listing. He lives
>> near
>> > >>> me in the north Atlanta area.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Guy Anderson was responsible, as he stated in his response to
> Harlem,
>> > >>> for most of the Panteras sold in the US in the 80s, doing all the
>> prep
>> > >>> work necessary to get them licensed in the US.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> He raced one from 84 to around '90 then converted it to run on the
>> > >>> street, a car he took me for a cruise in along with another Pantera
>> > >>> owner, Tom Nash, probably 15 to 20 years ago.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> He is probably one of the most knowledgeable guys (no pun intended)
>> on
>> > >>> Pantera history, and especially anything to do with the Pantera
>> during
>> > >>> the 80s.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> While folks lay back and try to decide if Guy is for real or not, I
>> am
>> > >>> going to see if a couple of friends of mine that have been
> interested
>> > in
>> > >>> a Pantera project car are interested in the car.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 12/6/2010 10:41, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>> > >>>> Hi guys,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> This one is hilarious:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> >
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-DETOMASO-PANTERA-GT-NEEDS-PAINT-AND-ENGI
>> > >>>> NE-WORK-/330504512863?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cf39aa55f
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Being offered for sale without a VIN! Why? Well, because most
>> > people
>> > >>>> will restore the car to their tastes, and of COURSE when you
>> > >>>> restore a car,
>> > >>>> you put a new VIN on it, right?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Torbjorn Harlem wrote to the guy asking for the VIN, and his
>> response
>> > was
>> > >>>> hysterical.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Hello There, The car is complete. I purchased this one from a
> friend
>> > to
>> > >>>> restore but I have 2 GT5 that I am doing and do not have the time
>> > >>>> to complete
>> > >>>> this one now. The car is not rusty and it is very cheap because it
>> is
>> > not
>> > >>>> rusty. I used to repair rusty Panteras for Ford Motor company so
>> > >>>> I know the
>> > >>>> difference. I also imported All of the GT5 and most of the gt4 and
>> > >>>> Gt3 cars to
>> > >>>> Usa in the 80's. Thanks, Guy
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> - countach4v
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> =====
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So there! Bid with confidence!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> (NOT!) :>)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Mike
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