[DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

Dick Koch arkoch at earthlink.net
Tue Dec 7 14:34:27 EST 2010


John, one thing is for sure, Guy couldn't have asked for better 
"publicity" for his listing than this thread has given him.

I bet he has gotten quite a few calls from folks that are really 
interested in the car, not just tire kickers that seem to be bloviating 
on the forum, now that they know he is for real.  If he makes it to 
Atlanta Donut Derelicts this Saturday, I'll ask him what kind of 
response he got.

I don't know what Torbjorn is looking for in a car, but parting out the 
car (heaven forbid) would probably net more than Guy is asking for it.

Well, time for me to go back and hone my artillery skills.  I hope 
Dailey isn't monitoring this thread.  If he is, I won't hear the last of 
him ragging me to quit wasting my time on such trivia and get to work 
fixing my car.

Dick Koch - Atlanta

On 12/7/2010 13:57, John Bentley wrote:
> Torbjorn,
>
> Welcome to the forum.  Don't worry, the wtf was just my disgust of all the negative crap about this guy coming from people that don't know anything first-hand.  Dick stepped up and said the the guy was legit and people are still coming out of the woodwork to bash the man.
>
> Since Mikey started this tirade, he will clean it up.  I'm sure Mike will contact the guy and we'll all get to the bottom of this, so stay tuned.  If the guy is a straight-up guy, Mikey will say he jumped the gun and the guy is actually good.  If the guy is trying to pull a fast one, Mikey will jump up and tell us he was right! :)
>
> Either way, I think waiting for factual data is the civil thing to do before bashing someone on a public forum.  Or, maybe that's just me......
>
> JB
>
> btw, your English is great and just like Guy, it doesn't matter.  We all know exactly what you write and is easy to understand.  Again, welcome and don't worry about your writing.
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Torbjørn Harlem<torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>  wrote:
>
> From: Torbjørn Harlem<torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
> To: "John Bentley"<gndplne at yahoo.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 5:22 AM
>
> Hi. John
>   Why do you wtf? me.?
>
> Are the questions I send to the seller an abuse or something?
> I asked him ( for me) a totally normal question about his project.
> And my mail was not at all anonymous.
>
>
>
> No rust issue he stated. Is it brown paint at the doors? Is it not normal to ask for more or better pics when you interested in a project. The car is stated to be in bare metal. Is it?
>
> About the price: isn't that what Ebay is all about the seller and buyers market. Both parts trying to get the best out of the deal. And I not stated that it was my final offer!
>
> Transaxle question wasn't even asked. Because No one can tell the status of it, with just looking on it from the outside.
>
> So I don't understand your sarcasm .It's my first time ever on this forum that it happened. Perhaps I`m too stupid or dumb too understand a foreign add , but I have mannish  too buy some items on Ebay before .Even a car in fact.
>
> Howe can I trust a guy you say it's ok?
>
>
> I just know a couple names in the Usa that I'll trust 100% regarding money issues. Do you think his add at Ebay look like a pro car dealers? , since he was dealing all the Panteras ( GT5, GT4 and Gr 3) imported to the Usa true the `80`s. I would expect a more informative add.
>
>
>
>
> Sorry if I be too eager to get some info about a project I try to buy for a Pantera friend of mine. But that's the way I learn too do business.
>
> Best regards from Norway.
> (Hope you understand my bad English spelling)
>
> Torbjorn Harlem
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
> Sent: 7. desember 2010 08:00
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> you guys are all waaaay too skeptical.  If Dick says he's a straight-up guy, wtf?  What else did you find out?  Is the trans good?  Other pictures?  Did you call him or send him an anonymous email?  Sounds like a witch hunt.........and not the good kind.
>
> Being able to accurately articulate the condition is nice, but that's why we have a group of guys willing to step up and vouch for a person or look at a car for the good of the team.  Geezus.
>
> Hmmm, he listed the car for 20 and he didn't take 15?  Must be a scoundrel.....
>
> JB
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Torbjørn Harlem<torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>  wrote:
>
> From: Torbjørn Harlem<torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
> To: spkorb at gmail.com, "boyd casey"<boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 10:27 PM
>
> I offered him $15,000,- if I get the Vin and some more pics of the car.
>
> Offer not accepted. And he answered me with that "funny" mail Mike D. forwarded.
>
> Torbjorn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On Behalf Of Sean Korb
> Sent: 7. desember 2010 03:46
> To: boyd casey
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> I think that's a fair price to ask if it has a working ZF... and if all the
> trim and interior pieces are there and the title is in his name.  Georgia
> doesn't require a title for a car that old, but if I were to try to title it
> in North Carolina I would need the last 3 sales/transfer receipts.  If I was
> looking for a car I might offer him $14-$15k.  It doesn't hurt to ask, but
> the price does keep away lowballers offering $8k or less.
>
> sean
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM, boyd casey<boyd411 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Everything else aside I was surprised that he thought $19,500 was "below
>> market" Either the market has improved dramatically or I am missing
>> something.
>> Boyd
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:17 PM,<asajay at asajay.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Yea... I guess I can understand that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Quoting bill gaino<gaino at earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>>> I think I know why he is not disclosing the vin.. Do we all remember
>>>>    4001  That was t boned in Canada, Fixed back, or pieced back.
>>>> Anyway  the new seller put it on Ebay. And one of our alert listers
>>>> posted a  pic of it wrecked for sale for a dollar.  Just to alert a
>>>> potential  buyer. Bill 1362
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>
>>>>> Sent: Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM
>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick,
>>>>>
>>>>> I love you man, but if this is true, he needs to re-think his listing.
>>>>>    If he is that knowledgeable he needs to point out if the car is an L
>>>>> or pre-L and not let his vague descriptions try to communicate that.
>>>>> He also needs to be forthcoming with the VIN.  It's BS that he doesn't
>>>>> provide it.  All Panteras have a VIN, including the one hes listed.
>>>>> Has it been removed?  Why?  It should be stamped on the footbox, so if
>>>>> it's not there, why isn't it there?  he should know this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly,the listing looks like it was written by a 16 year old, not
>>>>> someone who used to import and knows Panteras.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Dick Koch<arkoch at earthlink.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike, . I just got off the phone with Guy a few minutes ago, BS'ing
>>>>>> about old times.  He is for real as well as the listing.  He lives
>> near
>>>>>> me in the north Atlanta area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guy Anderson was responsible, as he stated in his response to Harlem,
>>>>>> for most of the Panteras sold in the US in the 80s, doing all the
>> prep
>>>>>> work necessary to get them licensed in the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He raced one from 84 to around '90 then converted it to run on the
>>>>>> street, a car he took me for a cruise in along with another Pantera
>>>>>> owner, Tom Nash, probably 15 to 20 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is probably one of the most knowledgeable guys (no pun intended)
>> on
>>>>>> Pantera history, and especially anything to do with the Pantera
>> during
>>>>>> the 80s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While folks lay back and try to decide if Guy is for real or not, I
>> am
>>>>>> going to see if a couple of friends of mine that have been interested
>>> in
>>>>>> a Pantera project car are interested in the car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/6/2010 10:41, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This one is hilarious:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-DETOMASO-PANTERA-GT-NEEDS-PAINT-AND-ENGI
>>>>>>> NE-WORK-/330504512863?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cf39aa55f
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being offered for sale without a VIN!   Why?   Well, because most
>>> people
>>>>>>> will restore the car to their tastes, and of COURSE when you
>>>>>>> restore a car,
>>>>>>> you put a new VIN on it, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Torbjorn Harlem wrote to the guy asking for the VIN, and his
>> response
>>> was
>>>>>>> hysterical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello There, The car is complete. I purchased this one from a friend
>>> to
>>>>>>> restore but I have 2 GT5 that I am doing and do not have the time
>>>>>>> to complete
>>>>>>> this one now. The car is not rusty and it is very cheap because it
>> is
>>> not
>>>>>>> rusty. I used to repair rusty Panteras for Ford Motor company so
>>>>>>> I know the
>>>>>>> difference. I also imported All of the GT5 and most of the gt4 and
>>>>>>> Gt3 cars to
>>>>>>> Usa in the 80's. Thanks, Guy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - countach4v
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there!   Bid with confidence!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (NOT!) :>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
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