[DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

Sean Korb spkorb at gmail.com
Tue Dec 7 08:09:27 EST 2010


I really did think the matter settled.  I've met Dick and if he says the
deal is straight up, then it is.  If you reread the message under that
assumption it doesn't seem like a scam at all, and it doesn't shut down any
questions *except* for the VIN.   If you're serious about the car as a
project, I'm sure you'll get an honest response and maybe you can cajole an
Atlanta member into taking a trip out to check over Guy's car personally.

But I do personally think that withholding the VIN might anger the troops
and lead to a general uprising in the Pantera community.  I just want to
find out if it's numbered before 1383 to see if it is a pull handled
pushbutton ;)

sean

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:34 AM, John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:

> you guys are all waaaay too skeptical.  If Dick says he's a straight-up
> guy, wtf?  What else did you find out?  Is the trans good?  Other pictures?
> Did you call him or send him an anonymous email?  Sounds like a witch
> hunt.........and not the good kind.
>
> Being able to accurately articulate the condition is nice, but that's why
> we have a group of guys willing to step up and vouch for a person or look at
> a car for the good of the team.  Geezus.
>
> Hmmm, he listed the car for 20 and he didn't take 15?  Must be a
> scoundrel.....
>
> JB
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Torbjørn Harlem <torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no> wrote:
>
> From: Torbjørn Harlem <torbjorn.harlem at elverhoy.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
> To: spkorb at gmail.com, "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 10:27 PM
>
> I offered him $15,000,- if I get the Vin and some more pics of the car.
>
> Offer not accepted. And he answered me with that "funny" mail Mike D.
> forwarded.
>
> Torbjorn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On Behalf Of Sean Korb
> Sent: 7. desember 2010 03:46
> To: boyd casey
> Cc: asajay at asajay.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> I think that's a fair price to ask if it has a working ZF... and if all the
> trim and interior pieces are there and the title is in his name.  Georgia
> doesn't require a title for a car that old, but if I were to try to title
> it
> in North Carolina I would need the last 3 sales/transfer receipts.  If I
> was
> looking for a car I might offer him $14-$15k.  It doesn't hurt to ask, but
> the price does keep away lowballers offering $8k or less.
>
> sean
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:19 PM, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Everything else aside I was surprised that he thought $19,500 was "below
> > market" Either the market has improved dramatically or I am missing
> > something.
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:17 PM, <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yea... I guess I can understand that.
> > >
> > >
> > > Asa Jay
> > >
> > > Quoting bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>:
> > >
> > > > I think I know why he is not disclosing the vin.. Do we all remember
> > > >  4001  That was t boned in Canada, Fixed back, or pieced back.
> > > > Anyway  the new seller put it on Ebay. And one of our alert listers
> > > > posted a  pic of it wrecked for sale for a dollar.  Just to alert a
> > > > potential  buyer. Bill 1362
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> > > >> Sent: Dec 6, 2010 2:03 PM
> > > >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
> > > >>
> > > >> Dick,
> > > >>
> > > >> I love you man, but if this is true, he needs to re-think his
> listing.
> > > >>  If he is that knowledgeable he needs to point out if the car is an
> L
> > > >> or pre-L and not let his vague descriptions try to communicate that.
> > > >> He also needs to be forthcoming with the VIN.  It's BS that he
> doesn't
> > > >> provide it.  All Panteras have a VIN, including the one hes listed.
> > > >> Has it been removed?  Why?  It should be stamped on the footbox, so
> if
> > > >> it's not there, why isn't it there?  he should know this.
> > > >>
> > > >> Honestly,the listing looks like it was written by a 16 year old, not
> > > >> someone who used to import and knows Panteras.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Just my two cents,
> > > >> Asa Jay
> > > >>
> > > >> Quoting Dick Koch <arkoch at earthlink.net>:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Mike, . I just got off the phone with Guy a few minutes ago, BS'ing
> > > >>> about old times.  He is for real as well as the listing.  He lives
> > near
> > > >>> me in the north Atlanta area.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Guy Anderson was responsible, as he stated in his response to
> Harlem,
> > > >>> for most of the Panteras sold in the US in the 80s, doing all the
> > prep
> > > >>> work necessary to get them licensed in the US.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> He raced one from 84 to around '90 then converted it to run on the
> > > >>> street, a car he took me for a cruise in along with another Pantera
> > > >>> owner, Tom Nash, probably 15 to 20 years ago.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> He is probably one of the most knowledgeable guys (no pun intended)
> > on
> > > >>> Pantera history, and especially anything to do with the Pantera
> > during
> > > >>> the 80s.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> While folks lay back and try to decide if Guy is for real or not, I
> > am
> > > >>> going to see if a couple of friends of mine that have been
> interested
> > > in
> > > >>> a Pantera project car are interested in the car.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 12/6/2010 10:41, MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> > > >>>> Hi guys,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This one is hilarious:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-DETOMASO-PANTERA-GT-NEEDS-PAINT-AND-ENGI
> > > >>>> NE-WORK-/330504512863?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4cf39aa55f
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Being offered for sale without a VIN!   Why?   Well, because most
> > > people
> > > >>>> will restore the car to their tastes, and of COURSE when you
> > > >>>> restore a car,
> > > >>>> you put a new VIN on it, right?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Torbjorn Harlem wrote to the guy asking for the VIN, and his
> > response
> > > was
> > > >>>> hysterical.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hello There, The car is complete. I purchased this one from a
> friend
> > > to
> > > >>>> restore but I have 2 GT5 that I am doing and do not have the time
> > > >>>> to complete
> > > >>>> this one now. The car is not rusty and it is very cheap because it
> > is
> > > not
> > > >>>> rusty. I used to repair rusty Panteras for Ford Motor company so
> > > >>>> I know the
> > > >>>> difference. I also imported All of the GT5 and most of the gt4 and
> > > >>>> Gt3 cars to
> > > >>>> Usa in the 80's. Thanks, Guy
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - countach4v
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> =====
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So there!   Bid with confidence!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> (NOT!) :>)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Mike
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'65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
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