[DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

Dick Koch arkoch at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 6 13:28:51 EST 2010


Charles, you may be on to something.

However, it would take someone, who is interested in purchasing the car, 
less time to call him directly than to post to this forum and surmise 
why the car is listed as it is.

Dick Koch - Atlanta

On 12/6/2010 13:19, Charles McCall wrote:
> I took his statement to mean that he really meant "there is not chassis
> nunmber associated with this auction" as opposed to associated with the car.
> A) He mentions it outright in the ad - if he were trying to hide the fact
> that the car had no VIN I suspect he wouldn't be so outright. B) I think he
> assumes that the car will be restored and he doesn't want the future owner
> to have pictures of the car in "ugly duckling" phase out there, for whatever
> reason.
>
> Before actually purchasing the car I think a serious buyer would have the
> right to know the serial number to ensure that the car is legal, legit, and
> can be registered, but I understand he doesn't want the number floating out
> there in cyber-land.
>
> Charles McCall
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> nombre de Cullen McCann
> Enviado el: lunes, 06 de diciembre de 2010 19:12
> Para: arkoch at earthlink.net
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...
>
> Dick, et al,
>
> I saw this car when it came up on eBay as well. I didn't really understand
> the situation with the VIN disclosure/omission. Is the car MISSING its VIN
> or is Guy simply not disclosing it expect to the final buyer? His
> description says this:
>
> "....You will notice there is no chassis number associated with this car.
> There is a reason for that. Most cars in this condition goes to restorers
> and enthusiasts that improve the look and the functionality of the car. The
> car is being sold less its makeup..... and for that reason, it is offered
> under market. The new owner deserves the opportunity to re-offer the car (
> If so desired) at the Market price when he finishes the car....."
>
> I simply can't tell from the verbiage what the reasoning is. I will say that
> I notice in many collector car followings that everyone feels like its
> everyones right to know everyone's VIN so that all information about all
> cars is completely disclosed...I suppose that's the purpose of the
> registry...and good for the overall needs of the greater good of the
> community. Not saying I disagree...I just understand that some people might
> want to take a real "beater" of a car and restore it to perfection or beyond
> without the "community" associating a certain VIN with complete
> worthlessness to begin with, because obviously that seller or owner has to
> overcome that label later in life if he chooses to sell the car, or simply
> fit in with the crowd of people with cars with spotless history.
>
> I would have to admit...if I bought a rare car and didn't unveil it to the
> world of that cars' following until it was perfect...and the world was no
> wiser to its history....the likelihood of getting top dollar for the car
> seems better to me...but I might be mistaken. I know its that way with cars
> on ...say the Shelby registry...if a car has had a very rough
> history...regardless of how clean of a restoration it is...if it had all of
> its exterior sheet metal replaced due to a massive crash...its never worth
> the same. UNLESS that car has was period raced by a big name history and
> then its scuffs with the wall seem to be battle scars that potentially
> increase is value....go figure.
>
> In your discussions with Guy I thought you might have discussed it or
> possibly someone understands the situation with this car better.
>
> Cullen
> 3925 Rust Project
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> Mike, . I just got off the phone with Guy a few minutes ago, BS'ing
> about old times.  He is for real as well as the listing.  He lives near
> me in the north Atlanta area.
>
> Guy Anderson was responsible, as he stated in his response to Harlem,
> for most of the Panteras sold in the US in the 80s, doing all the prep
> work necessary to get them licensed in the US.
>
> He raced one from 84 to around '90 then converted it to run on the
> street, a car he took me for a cruise in along with another Pantera
> owner, Tom Nash, probably 15 to 20 years ago.
>
> He is probably one of the most knowledgeable guys (no pun intended) on
> Pantera history, and especially anything to do with the Pantera during
> the 80s.
>
> While folks lay back and try to decide if Guy is for real or not, I am
> going to see if a couple of friends of mine that have been interested in
> a Pantera project car are interested in the car.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>
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