[DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

Dick Koch arkoch at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 6 13:21:40 EST 2010


Cullen, rather than hear Guy's reasoning third party (me), pick up the 
phone and call Guy and ask him.  He is a straight forward guy and will 
tell you why he does not give out a VIN on a car such as this.

Guy's number is on the listing.  However, don't waste his time and only 
call him if you are really interested in buying the car.

Dick Koch - Atlanta

On 12/6/2010 13:12, Cullen McCann wrote:
> Dick, et al,
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> I saw this car when it came up on eBay as well. I didn't really understand
> the situation with the VIN disclosure/omission. Is the car MISSING its VIN
> or is Guy simply not disclosing it expect to the final buyer? His
> description says this:
>
> "....You will notice there is no chassis number associated with this car.
> There is a reason for that. Most cars in this condition goes to restorers
> and enthusiasts that improve the look and the functionality of the car. The
> car is being sold less its makeup..... and for that reason, it is offered
> under market. The new owner deserves the opportunity to re-offer the car (
> If so desired) at the Market price when he finishes the car....."
>
> I simply can't tell from the verbiage what the reasoning is. I will say that
> I notice in many collector car followings that everyone feels like its
> everyones right to know everyone's VIN so that all information about all
> cars is completely disclosed...I suppose that's the purpose of the
> registry...and good for the overall needs of the greater good of the
> community. Not saying I disagree...I just understand that some people might
> want to take a real "beater" of a car and restore it to perfection or beyond
> without the "community" associating a certain VIN with complete
> worthlessness to begin with, because obviously that seller or owner has to
> overcome that label later in life if he chooses to sell the car, or simply
> fit in with the crowd of people with cars with spotless history.
>
> I would have to admit...if I bought a rare car and didn't unveil it to the
> world of that cars' following until it was perfect...and the world was no
> wiser to its history....the likelihood of getting top dollar for the car
> seems better to me...but I might be mistaken. I know its that way with cars
> on ...say the Shelby registry...if a car has had a very rough
> history...regardless of how clean of a restoration it is...if it had all of
> its exterior sheet metal replaced due to a massive crash...its never worth
> the same. UNLESS that car has was period raced by a big name history and
> then its scuffs with the wall seem to be battle scars that potentially
> increase is value....go figure.
>
> In your discussions with Guy I thought you might have discussed it or
> possibly someone understands the situation with this car better.
>
> Cullen
> 3925 Rust Project
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> Mike, . I just got off the phone with Guy a few minutes ago, BS'ing
> about old times.  He is for real as well as the listing.  He lives near
> me in the north Atlanta area.
>
> Guy Anderson was responsible, as he stated in his response to Harlem,
> for most of the Panteras sold in the US in the 80s, doing all the prep
> work necessary to get them licensed in the US.
>
> He raced one from 84 to around '90 then converted it to run on the
> street, a car he took me for a cruise in along with another Pantera
> owner, Tom Nash, probably 15 to 20 years ago.
>
> He is probably one of the most knowledgeable guys (no pun intended) on
> Pantera history, and especially anything to do with the Pantera during
> the 80s.
>
> While folks lay back and try to decide if Guy is for real or not, I am
> going to see if a couple of friends of mine that have been interested in
> a Pantera project car are interested in the car.
>
> Dick Koch - Atlanta
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