[DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

[Charles McCall]

I took his statement to mean that he really meant "there is not chassis
nunmber associated with this auction" as opposed to associated with the car.
A) He mentions it outright in the ad - if he were trying to hide the fact
that the car had no VIN I suspect he wouldn't be so outright. B) I think he
assumes that the car will be restored and he doesn't want the future owner
to have pictures of the car in "ugly duckling" phase out there, for whatever
reason. 

Before actually purchasing the car I think a serious buyer would have the
right to know the serial number to ensure that the car is legal, legit, and
can be registered, but I understand he doesn't want the number floating out
there in cyber-land. 

Charles McCall
1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
"Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
-----Mensaje original-----
De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
nombre de Cullen McCann
Enviado el: lunes, 06 de diciembre de 2010 19:12
Para: arkoch at earthlink.net
CC: detomaso at realbig.com
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Another E-bay scam...

Dick, et al,

I saw this car when it came up on eBay as well. I didn't really understand
the situation with the VIN disclosure/omission. Is the car MISSING its VIN
or is Guy simply not disclosing it expect to the final buyer? His
description says this: 

"....You will notice there is no chassis number associated with this car.
There is a reason for that. Most cars in this condition goes to restorers
and enthusiasts that improve the look and the functionality of the car. The
car is being sold less its makeup..... and for that reason, it is offered
under market. The new owner deserves the opportunity to re-offer the car (
If so desired) at the Market price when he finishes the car....."

I simply can't tell from the verbiage what the reasoning is. I will say that
I notice in many collector car followings that everyone feels like its
everyones right to know everyone's VIN so that all information about all
cars is completely disclosed...I suppose that's the purpose of the
registry...and good for the overall needs of the greater good of the
community. Not saying I disagree...I just understand that some people might
want to take a real "beater" of a car and restore it to perfection or beyond
without the "community" associating a certain VIN with complete
worthlessness to begin with, because obviously that seller or owner has to
overcome that label later in life if he chooses to sell the car, or simply
fit in with the crowd of people with cars with spotless history. 

I would have to admit...if I bought a rare car and didn't unveil it to the
world of that cars' following until it was perfect...and the world was no
wiser to its history....the likelihood of getting top dollar for the car
seems better to me...but I might be mistaken. I know its that way with cars
on ...say the Shelby registry...if a car has had a very rough
history...regardless of how clean of a restoration it is...if it had all of
its exterior sheet metal replaced due to a massive crash...its never worth
the same. UNLESS that car has was period raced by a big name history and
then its scuffs with the wall seem to be battle scars that potentially
increase is value....go figure.

In your discussions with Guy I thought you might have discussed it or
possibly someone understands the situation with this car better.

Cullen
3925 Rust Project







Mike, . I just got off the phone with Guy a few minutes ago, BS'ing 
about old times.  He is for real as well as the listing.  He lives near 
me in the north Atlanta area.

Guy Anderson was responsible, as he stated in his response to Harlem, 
for most of the Panteras sold in the US in the 80s, doing all the prep 
work necessary to get them licensed in the US.

He raced one from 84 to around '90 then converted it to run on the 
street, a car he took me for a cruise in along with another Pantera 
owner, Tom Nash, probably 15 to 20 years ago.

He is probably one of the most knowledgeable guys (no pun intended) on 
Pantera history, and especially anything to do with the Pantera during 
the 80s.

While folks lay back and try to decide if Guy is for real or not, I am 
going to see if a couple of friends of mine that have been interested in 
a Pantera project car are interested in the car.

Dick Koch - Atlanta


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