[DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width

Thu Aug 26 11:02:52 EDT 2010

Tiger later changed his name to "Cheetah" Woods.

Jim "old joke" Gray

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From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>; Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:54:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width

At least 5 GT-40's? A collector ugh?
Didn't Tiger Woods have that problem ;-]>

Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net> wrote:

>From: Jim Gray <grayjim at att.net>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width
>To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>, "Kirby Schrader" 
><kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
>Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 6:54 AM
>
>
>Tim Cantwell in Cleveland, OH has a Gulf Oil replica Ford GT with a matching 
>Saleen Mustang.  This great car guy owned at least 5 Ford GT's when I was in his 
>shop a few years ago.
>
>Jim "green with envy" Gray
>
>
>
>
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From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>To: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
>Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 8:31:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width
>
>At all most a 1,000 pounds <?>  lighter then a Pantera that is a hellva bargain. 
>Okay engineers how much power to you have to make to compensate for that 
>additional weight in a pantera to keep up with aGT-40??  
> 
>Kirby, do you know John Tiemann who has the blue Gulf Oil replica GT40?
>Not sure  who the chassis builder is that did John's GT40 but John routinely 
>runs Silver State and Big Bend open road races and track events....he "averaged" 
>160 mph in May at the NORC  and afterwards said the only danger he had was that 
>it handles so well  and so much better then the Vette he had that he is 
>reluctant to really let it stretch its legs....he already went off the road once 
>at the SORC or BBORR I believe....I don't have that problem with the Pantera I 
>know it and I are both at the limit. ;-]>
> 
> 
>Mad Dawg Antenucci 
>Team Pantera Racing 
>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
>www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>--- On Thu, 8/26/10, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width
>To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 4:19 AM
>
>
>
>A roller from Superformance runs right at $80K these days.
>Now you need an engine, a ZF and put it together.
>
>I know a guy who got a MkII like mine for $70K and it was already put together.
>It was one of those 'deals of a lifetime', but he found it.
>
>The market is soft right now for all the reasons you know. If you are serious, 
>just keep looking.
>You might not find your color scheme or a MkI instead of a MkII though...
>
>On 25 Aug 2010, at 23:37 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
>
>> "The Pantera feels like a Limo after driving the GT40"....so tell us how much 
>>you got into this bad boy less engine.....or rolling chassis cost?
>> 
>> Mad Dawg Antenucci 
>> Team Pantera Racing
>> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
>> www.teampanteraracing.com
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] more on rear tire width
>> To: "Garth Rodericks" <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 1:18 PM
>> 
>> Thanks, Garth.
>> You are absolutely right. It isn't a 'real' GT40... but the Superformance
>> models are built very, very close to the original specs. Same chassis, etc.
>> etc. The biggest differences are the brakes are Wilwood and the cars have
>> A/C.
>> Well, the GT40R ('R' for race, in this case) they make doesn't have A/C...
>> 
>> It is, by far, the fastest car I've ridden in or driven. The Pantera feels
>> like a limo after driving the GT40.
>> 
>> Kirby
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 14:26, Garth Rodericks 
>><garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> 
>> > Those purists might also say it's not a 'real' GT40. So who the hell cares.
>> > That's one amazing car you have there.
>> >
>> > I've always liked the GT40 BRM wheels too, and think they'd look great on a
>> > Pantera, but I think the offsets are wrong:
>> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=18911
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> > *From:* Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
>> > *To:* Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
>> > *Cc:* DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 12:07:38 PM
>> >
>> > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] more on rear tire width
>> >
>> >
>> > I have the 'Halibrands' from Vintage Wheel on my GT40....
>> >
>> > http://www.vintagewheelsus.com/
>> >
>> > http://web.mac.com/kirbyschrader/
>> >
>> > Some purists will say that they are not 'real' GT40 wheels though... they
>> > are missing the 'wine glass stem' and they are 17" and.... well, you get 
the
>> > idea.
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > Personally, I like them purely because I can get decent tires for the
>> > street.
>> > When I take it to the track next month, I plan on using the 15" wheels with
>> > track tires/slicks.
>> >
>> > FWIW,
>> > Kirby
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:40, Garth Rodericks 
>><garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think those are the same wheels Bob Benson runs on his black #3 Pantera
>> >> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=25547
>> >>
>> >> I also like the look of the Halibrands as far as aftermarket wheels go.
>> >> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=18914
>> >> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=18786&g2_page=7
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- Original Message ---
>> >>
>> >> Oh.... You mean like these?
>> >>
>> >> http://www.pbase.com/oburg/image/127279124
>> >>
>> >> Orville
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at
>> >> realbig.com]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:58 AM
>> >> To: wkooiman at earthlink.net
>> >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] more on rear tire width
>> >>
>> >> Kinesis K58
>> >>
>> >> For example...
>> >>
>> >> http://superbuytires.com/Kinesis/K58%20RWD/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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