[DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width

Thu Aug 26 10:00:26 EDT 2010

About 800 lbs lighter than a stock Pantera. 3200lbs vs 2400lbs.

http://www.gt40superformance.com/gt40-specifications.aspx

I know of John, but have not met him nor seen his car. His car is not a
Superformance car.
I believe (I am not absolutely sure) that it is a DRB GT40.
http://www.drbsportscars.com/DRBGT40.html

The Superformance GT40 is a very stable handling car from my limited
perspective and limited driving ability. Put your foot down, break the rear
tires loose and you can calmly hold it on the road with one hand and the
rear end squirms around until you get enough traction. You never feel like
it is going to 'get away from you'.

At Road America last summer (45th Anniversary Reunion), we got to go on the
track several times and at one point, the pace car pulled off and I put my
foot down on the front straight. 3rd out of the corner, 4th up the hill with
the tires breaking loose over the bumps, into 5th. I was nervously looking
around at the gauges trying to see if anything was wrong since I had never
kept my foot in it for that long... I glanced over at the speedometer (a
Speedhut electronic version that was calibrated between two mile markers)
and I saw it heading past 175 towards 180. And the car was still pulling
hard. I chickened out since I'd never been that fast and there was a corner
coming towards me.
Turned out, there was plenty of room (the brakes work very well, thank you)
and I could have kept my foot in it longer.
Never got another chance to do that though.
Dennis Olthoff told me he was nearing 190 with his GT40 on the same straight
while he was racing.

The two cars are very different though in final drive... Olthoff's car has a
3:77 final drive; mine has a 4:22 with a .642 5th. His car can theoretically
go much faster than mine... With my tires size I'm limited to 206mph at
redline. His is probably more like 240mph.... I like my tire smoking 1st
gear demo mode though... and where are you going to go that fast?
Oh, yeah... of course... BBORR or Silver State or...

:-)

Kirby

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 08:31, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>wrote:

> At all most a 1,000 pounds <?>  lighter then a Pantera that is a hellva
> bargain. Okay engineers how much power to you have to make to compensate for
> that additional weight in a pantera to keep up with aGT-40??
>
> Kirby, do you know John Tiemann who has the blue Gulf Oil replica GT40?
> Not sure  who the chassis builder is that did John's GT40 but John
> routinely runs Silver State and Big Bend open road races and track
> events....he "averaged" 160 mph in May at the NORC  and afterwards said the
> only danger he had was that it handles so well  and so much better then the
> Vette he had that he is reluctant to really let it stretch its legs....he
> already went off the road once at the SORC or BBORR I believe....I don't
> have that problem with the Pantera I know it and I are both at the limit.
> ;-]>
>
>
> *Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing*
> *The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> *www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/26/10, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GT40 COSTS Re: more on rear tire width
> To: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 4:19 AM
>
>
> A roller from Superformance runs right at $80K these days.
> Now you need an engine, a ZF and put it together.
>
> I know a guy who got a MkII like mine for $70K and it was already put
> together.
> It was one of those 'deals of a lifetime', but he found it.
>
> The market is soft right now for all the reasons you know. If you are
> serious, just keep looking.
> You might not find your color scheme or a MkI instead of a MkII though...
>
> On 25 Aug 2010, at 23:37 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
>
> > "The Pantera feels like a Limo after driving the GT40"....so tell us how
> much you got into this bad boy less engine.....or rolling chassis cost?
> >
> > Mad Dawg Antenucci
> > Team Pantera Racing
> > The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> > www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kirby.schrader@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kirby.schrader@gmail.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] more on rear tire width
> > To: "Garth Rodericks" <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Cc: "DeTomaso Mail List" <detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >
> > Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 1:18 PM
> >
> > Thanks, Garth.
> > You are absolutely right. It isn't a 'real' GT40... but the Superformance
> > models are built very, very close to the original specs. Same chassis,
> etc.
> > etc. The biggest differences are the brakes are Wilwood and the cars have
> > A/C.
> > Well, the GT40R ('R' for race, in this case) they make doesn't have
> A/C...
> >
> > It is, by far, the fastest car I've ridden in or driven. The Pantera
> feels
> > like a limo after driving the GT40.
> >
> > Kirby
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 14:26, Garth Rodericks <
> garth_rodericks at yahoo.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Those purists might also say it's not a 'real' GT40. So who the hell
> cares.
> > > That's one amazing car you have there.
> > >
> > > I've always liked the GT40 BRM wheels too, and think they'd look great
> on a
> > > Pantera, but I think the offsets are wrong:
> > > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=18911
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kirby.schrader@gmail.com>
> >
> > > *To:* Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>
> >
> > > *Cc:* DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >
> > > *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 12:07:38 PM
> > >
> > > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] more on rear tire width
> > >
> > >
> > > I have the 'Halibrands' from Vintage Wheel on my GT40....
> > >
> > > http://www.vintagewheelsus.com/
> > >
> > > http://web.mac.com/kirbyschrader/
> > >
> > > Some purists will say that they are not 'real' GT40 wheels though...
> they
> > > are missing the 'wine glass stem' and they are 17" and.... well, you
> get the
> > > idea.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Personally, I like them purely because I can get decent tires for the
> > > street.
> > > When I take it to the track next month, I plan on using the 15" wheels
> with
> > > track tires/slicks.
> > >
> > > FWIW,
> > > Kirby
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:40, Garth Rodericks <
> garth_rodericks at yahoo.com<http://us.mc501.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=garth_rodericks@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think those are the same wheels Bob Benson runs on his black #3
> Pantera
> > >> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=25547
> > >>
> > >> I also like the look of the Halibrands as far as aftermarket wheels
> go.
> > >> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=18914
> > >> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=18786&g2_page=7
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- Original Message ---
> > >>
> > >> Oh.... You mean like these?
> > >>
> > >> http://www.pbase.com/oburg/image/127279124
> > >>
> > >> Orville
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at
> > >> realbig.com]
> > >> On
> > >> Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:58 AM
> > >> To: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> > >> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] more on rear tire width
> > >>
> > >> Kinesis K58
> > >>
> > >> For example...
> > >>
> > >> http://superbuytires.com/Kinesis/K58%20RWD/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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