[DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---

Wed Aug 25 09:51:05 EDT 2010

I wonder if the  11 parallel dimensions that quantum physicists swear exist
have Panteras with different modifications Or if they even have Panteras or
cars for that matter. On a serious note if anyone has read or follows the
latest theories involve in quantum physics it is really mind boggling!
According to the Doppler light shift visible from distant stars the entire
Universe is expanding and accelerating. These two newly discovered
components of the universe Dark matter and dark energy are really bizarre.
Dark matter makes up the vast majority of the universe and dark energy makes
gravity seem like  weak force and is weak compared to dark energy. The dark
energy is the apparent source of the energy that is causing the expansion of
the Universe and they say will ultimately result in everything down to the
atomic particle level being torn apart. Apparently there is a black hole at
the center of just about every galaxy. When you see picture of swirling
galaxies they evidence points to a black hole at the center of this gigantic
mass of stars orbiting around the central black hole. We tend to think of
stars as stationary objects but the reality is that there are numerous stars
that are in motion and many are locked in pairs that orbit in lock step at
unbelievable velocities
  There are also apparently mega black holes that consume entire galaxies of
stars. The levels of mass and energy are mind boggling. When you realize
that one minute of sunshine contains enough energy to meet the energy needs
of the entire planet for an entire year (or something close to that, I don't
remember the exact  numbers , but the amounts of energy are phenomenal, and
our sun is a pip squeak compared to some of the stars out there. It is an
extremely interesting subject. Unfortunately most of the math is so advanced
and complex that mere mortals like us have very little chance of
understanding what is actually going on. We are at the mercy of the
scientist who take the time to try and translate the theories into forms
that laymen can comprehend. There was a recent documentary that was narrated
by Morgan Freeman and it was very interesting and informative. If anyone is
interested I will try to locate the name and other information that would
help locate a copy  or a rebroadcast.
Boyd

P.S.
An interesting point is that we supposedly know more about outer space then
we know about the ocean and the  ocean floor. Plenty of opportunity for the
curious mind to  to expand it's horizons.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:24 AM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:

> OMG! I challenge any other car gourmet to approach discussions like ours.
> Dare I interject string theory or maybe the squirrel nor the wall even
> really exist,  unless we want them too (although I have tripped on $@&#
> laying on my garage floor in the dark that I didn't know was there...or did
> I).    Michael
>
> On Aug 25, 2010 1:03 AM, "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The problem is your not working with a"MAGICAL BRICK WALL" Then you could
> > talk about string theroy and the 11 dimensions and hitting the wall that
> > isn't really solid it all because of all the space between the sub atomic
> > partcles and the effects of Dark matter and that all objects in the
> universe
> > are constanly moving away from each other and accelerating as they move
> away
> > and that atomic particle make up less the 1 percent of the universe and
> the
> > rest is dark matter.
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:01 PM, <wkooiman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> There's nothing magical about a "brick" wall. The term brick wall is
> used
> >> to describe a fixed immovable wall.
> >>
> >> Immovable means when you hit the wall at 60mph, it pushes back with an
> >> equivalent force.
> >>
> >> If your car weighs 3,000 lbs and you hit a fixed immovable wall at
> 60mph,
> >> the damage to your car is exactly the same as if you hit a stack of
> bricks
> >> head-on that was moving towards you at 60mph - assuming the stack of
> bricks
> >> weighs 3,000 lbs.
> >>
> >> It's also exactly the same as what would happen if two identical cars
> hit
> >> head-on, with each one going 60mph. (as proven on Myth Busters)
> >>
> >> Of course, there are many assumptions. For instance, there's no such
> thing
> >> as an immovable wall. It will move some, but the assumption is the
> movement
> >> is so small, we can ignore it. Also, crumple zones, velocity (vectors),
> and
> >> so on.
> >>
> >> Keep in mind, I don't have a PhD in Physics. I'm just stating how I
> think
> >> it would work.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> >> >Sent: Aug 24, 2010 6:34 PM
> >> >To: wkooiman at earthlink.net, 'boyd casey' <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> >> >Cc: 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay at asajay.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >
> >> >No. I didn't say 120.
> >> >Once the brick wall is moving, it is no longer the classical fixed
> "brick
> >> wall." It's another moving object of mass.
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: wkooiman at earthlink.net [mailto:wkooiman at earthlink.net]
> >> >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:35 PM
> >> >To: boyd casey; Tony DiGiovanna
> >> >Cc: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >
> >> >No. (not 120mph)
> >> >
> >> >There's nothing magical about a brick wall, moving or not. The
> >> assumption, though, is the brick wall is not movable, so when you hit
> it,
> >> you must absorb 60mph worth of kinetic energy.
> >> >
> >> >A head-on collision simulates hitting a brick wall. You are forced to
> >> absorb all of your kinetic energy (probably 1/2 of the total).
> >> >
> >> >Remember, when you push on a wall, it pushes back with the same force.
> >> >
> >> >I'm assuming the same is true with kinetic energy. When you hit a wall
> at
> >> 60mph, it hits you back with the same amount of energy. It doesn't
> matter
> >> if the wall is moving or not.
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> >> >>Sent: Aug 23, 2010 6:08 PM
> >> >>To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
> >> >>Cc: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> >> >>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >>
> >> >>There almost as bad as those trees that are always jumping out and
> >> hitting
> >> >>drunk drivers!
> >> >>Boyd
> >> >>
> >> >>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <
> tonydigi at optonline.net
> >> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Depends on the Mass of the Brick wall.
> >> >>> If the wall is same mass as car, then yes.
> >> >>> If the wall is more massive than car, then worse.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I hate when massive brick walls drive the wrong way on the
> Interstate.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:
> >> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> >> >>> On
> >> >>> Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
> >> >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:12 PM
> >> >>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My stirring spoon seems to be stuck in the pot...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So, if a brick wall were traveling at 60 MPH, and you were traveling
> >> >>> at 60 MPH and had a head on collision, would -that- be a collision
> at
> >> >>> 120 MPH?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Asa Jay
> >> >>> :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Quoting Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > A car is designed to absorb impact in a crash through a 'crush'
> >> >>> > zone, what you see in the two car head on are both cars deforming
> >> >>> > and disipating the force of the impact equally as they are
> designed
> >> >>> > to do. On the other hand a brick wall is.... well a brick wall and
> >> >>> > the single car has to abosrb and disipate all the energy so I
> would
> >> >>> > expect the two scenarios to be very similar in resulting damage.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Try propelling two bricks (or rigid objects) at each other at 60
> mph
> >> >>> > and see if they react the same as a singel brick propelled at the
> >> >>> > wall.....
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Julian
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> >> >>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> >>> >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:16:54 -0500
> >> >>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Slightly off topic, but a head-on collision isn't car1 speed +
> car2
> >> >>> speed.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> 60mph car head-on with 60mph car isn't like hitting a wall at
> >> 120mph. It
> >> >>> >> was proven very dramatically on myth busters.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> I believe it's more complicated than that. It's has to do with
> the
> >> total
> >> >>> >> force. Car1 speed * car1 weight + car2 speed * car2 weight =
> total
> >> >>> force.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Force applied to car1 = total force/car1 weight.
> >> >>> >> Force applied to car2 = total force/car2 weight.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> It they're both going 60mph and they're both the same weight,
> it's
> >> just
> >> >>> like
> >> >>> >> they both hit a wall going 60mph. (assuming they head dead-on,
> >> glancing
> >> >>> >> blows change everything)
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> If car1 is 3,000 lbs and car2 is 30,000 lbs (big rig), car1 is
> going
> >> to
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> >> much worse than head-on, and the 18-wheeler will have much less
> >> damage.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> I just made up those formulas, but I bet they're correct or at
> least
> >> >>> close.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> BTW, the wheel that went through the windshield was probably
> going
> >> >>> >> effectively 120mph, simply because the windshield wouldn't have
> >> slowed
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> tire down much at all.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:
> >> detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> >> >>> ]
> >> >>> On
> >> >>> >> Behalf Of boyd casey
> >> >>> >> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:11 PM
> >> >>> >> To: Art Stephens
> >> >>> >> Cc: JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> >>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> I have heard of several incidents where wheels came off of
> vehicles
> >> and
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> vehicle that lost the wheel did ok but the errant wheel killed
> the
> >> >>> driver
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> >> the car it hit. This has happened more then once in recent
> memory.
> >> The
> >> >>> one I
> >> >>> >> remember more clearly the wheel cam e off a car on an interstate
> and
> >> >>> crossed
> >> >>> >> the median. As you know the speed in a head on is car +car b +
> speed
> >> of
> >> >>> >> impact so a car traveling at 60 mph and a loose wheel traveling
> at
> >> 60
> >> >>> mph
> >> >>> >> and bouncing through the windshield and landing smack in someones
> >> lap at
> >> >>> 120
> >> >>> >> mph effective speed, it's not a pretty picture!. When I was in
> >> college
> >> >>> >> (Loyola in New Orleans) I was driving a VW "Super Bug" from my
> >> fathers
> >> >>> Ford
> >> >>> >> dealerships used car lot when I noticed a VW wheel Passing me on
> the
> >> >>> left!
> >> >>> >> The left rear wheel came off and the next thing I knew I was
> sliding
> >> to
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> >> stop and the wheel was making great time on it's own! Luckily it
> >> didn't
> >> >>> hit
> >> >>> >> anyone. I was always having problems with the cars that I was
> given
> >> to
> >> >>> drive
> >> >>> >> from the cheapest used car inventory. And every time I had a
> problem
> >> I
> >> >>> got
> >> >>> >> downgraded to an even cheaper car until finally I was relegated
> to
> >> the
> >> >>> >> status of pedestrian!
> >> >>> >> Boyd
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Art Stephens
> >> >>> >> <artstephens at verizon.net>wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> > When I crashed my car, one of the rear wheels with broken
> upright,
> >> >>> half
> >> >>> >> > shaft and disc brake assembly attached, was found days later in
> a
> >> >>> gully
> >> >>> >> > about a quarter mile past the car!
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> >> > From: <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> >> >>> >> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >> >>> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:15 PM
> >> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > > I've also had a 'memorable' experience with OTHER PEOPLE'S
> >> wheels
> >> >>> >> falling
> >> >>> >> > > off. Commuting to work one morning in N CA in my modified
> >> Corvair, a
> >> >>> >> > > cement
> >> >>> >> > > pumper truck on its way to a job site broke a rear axle
> flange
> >> off,
> >> >>> >> > > freeing a
> >> >>> >> > > gigantic 'flotation' tire, wheel & brake drum at 50 mph on
> the
> >> >>> freeway.
> >> >>> >> > He
> >> >>> >> > > was some ways behind me and I saw the accident in my mirrors,
> >> but as
> >> >>> >> race
> >> >>> >> > > announcers say, in heavy traffic 'I had nowhere to go' except
> to
> >> >>> lean
> >> >>> >> > > away.
> >> >>> >> > > The 250-lb assembly bounced off guard rails and hit my
> drivers
> >> door
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> >> > > glancing
> >> >>> >> > > blow that knocked the 2500-lb car sideways half a lane, in
> spite
> >> of
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> > > traction from the same size tires I run on the Pantera. The
> >> wheel
> >> >>> >> finally
> >> >>> >> > > stopped in the median-strip Oleander bushes. Lucky me- I was
> the
> >> >>> only
> >> >>> >> car
> >> >>> >> > > it hit!
> >> >>> >> > > The dent in my car was a foot deep but luckily was confined
> only
> >> to
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> >> > > door.
> >> >>> >> > > A gigantic traffic jam occurred between my banged up car and
> the
> >> >>> >> concrete
> >> >>> >> > > truck tipped at an angle across 2 lanes. Once he saw I wasn't
> >> hurt
> >> >>> or
> >> >>> >> > > angry,
> >> >>> >> > > the truck driver (also the business owner!) was very
> apologetic
> >> but
> >> >>> was
> >> >>> >> > > MUCH
> >> >>> >> > > more worried about the full load of concrete he was to have
> >> >>> processed,
> >> >>> >> > > rapidly setting up behind us in a second truck (pre-cell
> phone
> >> >>> days).
> >> >>> 2
> >> >>> >> > > hrs
> >> >>> >> > > later I drove the beat up car into work and got no crap about
> >> being
> >> >>> >> late.
> >> >>> >> > > His
> >> >>> >> > > business insurance bought me a new door and a full paint job.
> >> FWIW-
> >> >>> J
> >> >>> >> > > DeRyke
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