[DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help

Wed Aug 25 00:17:38 EDT 2010

I actually had one LED strip light left over after I used three of them for dome lights, and since I can't waste anything, I attached it just above where the front air dam meets the front valance.  I love it, but some people think it's immature.  I don't care what they think, I won't take it off--I WON'T I WON'T I WON'T!!!   

Chris

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:01:17 -0700
From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
To: boyd411 at gmail.com; chrisvkimball at msn.com
CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com

When do you install the cool neon? 

--- On Tue, 8/24/10, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:

From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
To: boyd411 at gmail.com
Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantera List Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 8:54 PM

Those even made me sick!  (And I have green, LED dome lights...!)

Chris
#3846

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:46:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
From: boyd411 at gmail.com
To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
CC: mikeldrew at aol.com; fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com

If someone shows up with a
 Pantera customized like those custom jap cars that were on the list last week I will completely change my position!
Boyd

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:

Side pipes on a Pantera?  Why, that's as silly as chrome pipes sticking out of the engine cover.  Oh, wait...someone I know did have that modification for a while...

Chris (now pipeless in Seattle) K.

> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:21:18 -0400
> From: boyd411 at gmail.com
> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com

> CC: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help

> 
> Mike, I don't want this to be an endless exercise of you said this and I
> said that but I never said I was in favor of shoddy workman ship, and
> unsafe repairs. there are plenty of panteras that I have seen that I don't

> personaly care for. I hated that Gold plated monstrosity. But I still defend
> the right of the owner to make that choice. If will defend your right to
> keep your vehicle "Stock looking" you are missing the whole point of my

> post. You aparently don't realize it but the comments you make from time to
> time to express your
 views about a particular choice someone has made often
> include dispariging remarks that are insulting and hurtful to the person who

> made the purchase or modification. This is not my opinion. This is what
> people have written to me since I wrote the first post complaining about
> your veiled insults. I made reccomendations to the newbie and in the

> following post with out naming me you made reference to the exact things i
> suggested and instaed of just saying you didn't agree with my opinions you
> took cheap shots. I didn't say  the list has some   egotistical, know it

> all, big mouths who think all panteras should remain stock looking ( which
> would have certainly seemed like it was directed at you if I posted it right
> after you gave Peter your advice. But that's in essence what you did to me.

> You said the fuse box was perfectly fine(not a
 verbatim quote) but you went
> on to say you had replaced yours along with your harness, you had modified
> your fan circuitry and added relays, and you had added an extra fuse box ?

> How does all that equate with the stock fuse box being fine or adequate?
> Would you fly your aircraft with a Pantera style Fuse box? You might but the
> air force would never let you! In spite of the fact that I don't agree with

> your personal opinions on pantera taste I don't insult you because your
> views differ with mine. All I am suggesting is that you do what Jack Webb
> used to say on the old Dragnet show "The facts just the facts" Save the

> insults for you private messages.
> Thanks,
> Boyd
> 
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
 wrote:
> 
> >

> > In a message dated 8/24/10 9 56 27, fresnofinches at aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Agreed, Mike is a bit biased to the more stock looking car. His choice.

> > > And mine.
> > >
> > >>>In my column however, you'll see that while I note that
> > Ferrari/Porsche/etc. purists look down on modified Panteras, I specifically
> > said that *I*

> > don't, and in fact I appreciate the breadth and depth of the Pantera; it's
> > what makes it completely unique.
> >
> > My criticisms about certain Panteras don't involve aesthetic

> > considerations, but rather low-class "There, I fixed it" mechanical
> > hackery.   For
> >
 instance, when I bought my car, it was rusted to shreds on the right side
> > wheelhouse.  You know the little hole where the parking brake cable passes

> > through
> > the sheetmetal between the inside of the car, and the caliper?   My
> > wheelhouse
> > had a crack completely through it, that started at that hole and ran all
> > the way up to the turn signal bucket!   The car was literally splitting

> > apart
> > there.   So Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of sheetmetal about the
> > size of the playing card, drilling four holes in it, then bolting it on
> > either
> > side of the crack about halfway up!

> >
> > The wheelhouse tubes were completely gone for the bottom two inches or so;
> > Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of steel strap, about 2 inches
 wide,
> > drilling a couple of holes, and running it between the upper A-arm mounting

> > bolt and the lower A-arm mounting bolt!
> >
> > The radiator fans were evidently acting up on him, so he 'fixed' it by
> > bypassing the relays, and wiring each fan directly to its own 1-amp (!)

> > switch
> > mounted in the bottom opening on the instrument panel.   But hey, they were
> > illuminated!   When I took it apart (the day after taking possession of the
> > car), I found the wires burned and the switches melted.

> >
> > THIS is the kind of hackery that I object to.   Boyd, you can criticize me
> > all you want for my stance on this particular topic, but I think most will
> > agree that there are some lines, particularly mechanical lines, that

> > shouldn't be
 crossed.
> >
> > Aesthetics are a much more subjective thing, but I would be hard-pressed to
> > find anybody who believes that putting fake sidepipes from the front

> > fenders, shag carpeting (to include the headliner), and an avocado green
> > vinyl top
> > on a Pantera is an appropriate thing to do.   Again, Boyd, if you choose to
> > go that route, knock yourself out. :>)

> > >
> > > >But the gist of his column was, as usual, worthy of endorsement.
> > >
> > >>>I'm glad you agree.   I did receive numerous private e-mails from
> > various people when that column first appeared, all of which said

> > variations of
> > "Amen brother!"   Boyd is the first person I know of who expresses a
> > contrary
> > view and defends those
 sorts of actions.   But it takes all kinds, I

> > guess....
> >
> > Mke
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