[DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help

Wed Aug 25 00:03:13 EDT 2010

Why are you selling yours?
Boyd

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> When do you install the cool neon?
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/24/10, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>* wrote:
>
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> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> To: boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, fresnofinches at aol.com, "Pantera List
> Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 8:54 PM
>
>
> Those even made me sick!  (And I have green, LED dome lights...!)
>
> Chris
> #3846
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:46:15 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
> From: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>
> CC: mikeldrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mikeldrew@aol.com>;
> fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>;
> detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>
>
> If someone shows up with a Pantera customized like those custom jap cars
> that were on the list last week I will completely change my position!
> Boyd
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Christopher Kimball <
> chrisvkimball at msn.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chrisvkimball@msn.com>>
> wrote:
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> Side pipes on a Pantera?  Why, that's as silly as chrome pipes sticking out
> of the engine cover.  Oh, wait...someone I know did have that modification
> for a while...
>
> Chris (now pipeless in Seattle) K.
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:21:18 -0400
> > From: boyd411 at gmail.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boyd411@gmail.com>
> > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>
>
> > CC: fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>;
> detomaso at realbig.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dear Boyd - was Rookie needs help
>
> >
> > Mike, I don't want this to be an endless exercise of you said this and I
> > said that but I never said I was in favor of shoddy workman ship, and
> > unsafe repairs. there are plenty of panteras that I have seen that I
> don't
>
> > personaly care for. I hated that Gold plated monstrosity. But I still
> defend
> > the right of the owner to make that choice. If will defend your right to
> > keep your vehicle "Stock looking" you are missing the whole point of my
>
> > post. You aparently don't realize it but the comments you make from time
> to
> > time to express your views about a particular choice someone has made
> often
> > include dispariging remarks that are insulting and hurtful to the person
> who
>
> > made the purchase or modification. This is not my opinion. This is what
> > people have written to me since I wrote the first post complaining about
> > your veiled insults. I made reccomendations to the newbie and in the
>
> > following post with out naming me you made reference to the exact things
> i
> > suggested and instaed of just saying you didn't agree with my opinions
> you
> > took cheap shots. I didn't say  the list has some   egotistical, know it
>
> > all, big mouths who think all panteras should remain stock looking (
> which
> > would have certainly seemed like it was directed at you if I posted it
> right
> > after you gave Peter your advice. But that's in essence what you did to
> me.
>
> > You said the fuse box was perfectly fine(not a verbatim quote) but you
> went
> > on to say you had replaced yours along with your harness, you had
> modified
> > your fan circuitry and added relays, and you had added an extra fuse box
> ?
>
> > How does all that equate with the stock fuse box being fine or adequate?
> > Would you fly your aircraft with a Pantera style Fuse box? You might but
> the
> > air force would never let you! In spite of the fact that I don't agree
> with
>
> > your personal opinions on pantera taste I don't insult you because your
> > views differ with mine. All I am suggesting is that you do what Jack Webb
> > used to say on the old Dragnet show "The facts just the facts" Save the
>
> > insults for you private messages.
> > Thanks,
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, <MikeLDrew at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=MikeLDrew@aol.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
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> > > In a message dated 8/24/10 9 56 27, fresnofinches at aol.com<http://us.mc804.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fresnofinches@aol.com>writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Agreed, Mike is a bit biased to the more stock looking car. His
> choice.
>
> > > > And mine.
> > > >
> > > >>>In my column however, you'll see that while I note that
> > > Ferrari/Porsche/etc. purists look down on modified Panteras, I
> specifically
> > > said that *I*
>
> > > don't, and in fact I appreciate the breadth and depth of the Pantera;
> it's
> > > what makes it completely unique.
> > >
> > > My criticisms about certain Panteras don't involve aesthetic
>
> > > considerations, but rather low-class "There, I fixed it" mechanical
> > > hackery.   For
> > > instance, when I bought my car, it was rusted to shreds on the right
> side
> > > wheelhouse.  You know the little hole where the parking brake cable
> passes
>
> > > through
> > > the sheetmetal between the inside of the car, and the caliper?   My
> > > wheelhouse
> > > had a crack completely through it, that started at that hole and ran
> all
> > > the way up to the turn signal bucket!   The car was literally splitting
>
> > > apart
> > > there.   So Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of sheetmetal about
> the
> > > size of the playing card, drilling four holes in it, then bolting it on
> > > either
> > > side of the crack about halfway up!
>
> > >
> > > The wheelhouse tubes were completely gone for the bottom two inches or
> so;
> > > Jethro 'fixed' it by getting a piece of steel strap, about 2 inches
> wide,
> > > drilling a couple of holes, and running it between the upper A-arm
> mounting
>
> > > bolt and the lower A-arm mounting bolt!
> > >
> > > The radiator fans were evidently acting up on him, so he 'fixed' it by
> > > bypassing the relays, and wiring each fan directly to its own 1-amp (!)
>
> > > switch
> > > mounted in the bottom opening on the instrument panel.   But hey, they
> were
> > > illuminated!   When I took it apart (the day after taking possession of
> the
> > > car), I found the wires burned and the switches melted.
>
> > >
> > > THIS is the kind of hackery that I object to.   Boyd, you can criticize
> me
> > > all you want for my stance on this particular topic, but I think most
> will
> > > agree that there are some lines, particularly mechanical lines, that
>
> > > shouldn't be crossed.
> > >
> > > Aesthetics are a much more subjective thing, but I would be
> hard-pressed to
> > > find anybody who believes that putting fake sidepipes from the front
>
> > > fenders, shag carpeting (to include the headliner), and an avocado
> green
> > > vinyl top
> > > on a Pantera is an appropriate thing to do.   Again, Boyd, if you
> choose to
> > > go that route, knock yourself out. :>)
>
> > > >
> > > > >But the gist of his column was, as usual, worthy of endorsement.
> > > >
> > > >>>I'm glad you agree.   I did receive numerous private e-mails from
> > > various people when that column first appeared, all of which said
>
> > > variations of
> > > "Amen brother!"   Boyd is the first person I know of who expresses a
> > > contrary
> > > view and defends those sorts of actions.   But it takes all kinds, I
>
> > > guess....
> > >
> > > Mke
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