[DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---

boyd casey boyd411 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 23 19:08:45 EDT 2010


There almost as bad as those trees that are always jumping out and hitting
drunk drivers!
Boyd

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>wrote:

> Depends on the Mass of the Brick wall.
> If the wall is same mass as car, then yes.
> If the wall is more massive than car, then worse.
>
> I hate when massive brick walls drive the wrong way on the Interstate.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
>
> My stirring spoon seems to be stuck in the pot...
>
> So, if a brick wall were traveling at 60 MPH, and you were traveling
> at 60 MPH and had a head on collision, would -that- be a collision at
> 120 MPH?
>
>
> Asa Jay
> :)
>
>
> Quoting Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>
> >
> > A car is designed to absorb impact in a crash through a 'crush'
> > zone, what you see in the two car head on are both cars deforming
> > and disipating the force of the impact equally as they are designed
> > to do. On the other hand a brick wall is.... well a brick wall and
> > the single car has to abosrb and disipate all the energy so I would
> > expect the two scenarios to be very similar in resulting damage.
> >
> > Try propelling two bricks (or rigid objects) at each other at 60 mph
> >  and see if they react the same as a singel brick propelled at the
> > wall.....
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> >> From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:16:54 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >>
> >> Slightly off topic, but a head-on collision isn't car1 speed + car2
> speed.
> >>
> >> 60mph car head-on with 60mph car isn't like hitting a wall at 120mph. It
> >> was proven very dramatically on myth busters.
> >>
> >> I believe it's more complicated than that. It's has to do with the total
> >> force. Car1 speed * car1 weight + car2 speed * car2 weight = total
> force.
> >>
> >> Force applied to car1 = total force/car1 weight.
> >> Force applied to car2 = total force/car2 weight.
> >>
> >> It they're both going 60mph and they're both the same weight, it's just
> like
> >> they both hit a wall going 60mph. (assuming they head dead-on, glancing
> >> blows change everything)
> >>
> >> If car1 is 3,000 lbs and car2 is 30,000 lbs (big rig), car1 is going to
> be
> >> much worse than head-on, and the 18-wheeler will have much less damage.
> >>
> >> I just made up those formulas, but I bet they're correct or at least
> close.
> >>
> >> BTW, the wheel that went through the windshield was probably going
> >> effectively 120mph, simply because the windshield wouldn't have slowed
> the
> >> tire down much at all.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> ]
> On
> >> Behalf Of boyd casey
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 7:11 PM
> >> To: Art Stephens
> >> Cc: JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >>
> >> I have heard of several incidents where wheels came off of vehicles and
> the
> >> vehicle that lost the wheel did ok but the errant wheel killed the
> driver
> of
> >> the car it hit. This has happened more then once in recent memory. The
> one I
> >> remember more clearly the wheel cam e off a car on an interstate and
> crossed
> >> the median. As you know the speed in a head on is car +car b + speed of
> >> impact so a car traveling at 60 mph and a loose wheel traveling at 60
> mph
> >> and bouncing through the windshield and landing smack in someones lap at
> 120
> >> mph effective speed, it's not a pretty picture!. When I was in college
> >> (Loyola in New Orleans) I was driving a VW "Super Bug" from my fathers
> Ford
> >> dealerships used car lot when I noticed a VW wheel Passing me on the
> left!
> >> The left rear wheel came off and the next thing I knew I was sliding to
> a
> >> stop and the wheel was making great time on it's own! Luckily it didn't
> hit
> >> anyone. I was always having problems with the cars that I was given to
> drive
> >> from the cheapest used car inventory. And every time I had a problem I
> got
> >> downgraded to an even cheaper car until finally I was relegated to the
> >> status of pedestrian!
> >> Boyd
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Art Stephens
> >> <artstephens at verizon.net>wrote:
> >>
> >> > When I crashed my car, one of the rear wheels with broken upright,
> half
> >> > shaft and disc brake assembly attached, was found days later in a
> gully
> >> > about a quarter mile past the car!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> >> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:15 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] speaking of wheels falling off---
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > I've also had a 'memorable' experience with OTHER PEOPLE'S wheels
> >> falling
> >> > > off. Commuting to work one morning in N CA in my modified Corvair, a
> >> > > cement
> >> > > pumper truck on its way to a job site broke a rear axle flange off,
> >> > > freeing a
> >> > > gigantic 'flotation' tire, wheel & brake drum at 50 mph on the
> freeway.
> >> > He
> >> > > was some ways behind me and I saw the accident in my mirrors, but as
> >> race
> >> > > announcers say, in heavy traffic 'I had nowhere to go' except to
> lean
> >> > > away.
> >> > > The 250-lb assembly bounced off guard rails and hit my drivers door
> a
> >> > > glancing
> >> > > blow that knocked the 2500-lb car sideways half a lane, in spite of
> the
> >> > > traction from the same size tires I run on the Pantera. The wheel
> >> finally
> >> > > stopped in the median-strip Oleander bushes. Lucky me- I was the
> only
> >> car
> >> > > it hit!
> >> > > The dent in my car was a foot deep but luckily was confined only to
> the
> >> > > door.
> >> > > A gigantic traffic jam occurred between my banged up car and the
> >> concrete
> >> > > truck tipped at an angle across 2 lanes. Once he saw I wasn't hurt
> or
> >> > > angry,
> >> > > the truck driver (also the business owner!) was very apologetic but
> was
> >> > > MUCH
> >> > > more worried about the full load of concrete he was to have
> processed,
> >> > > rapidly setting up behind us in a second truck (pre-cell phone
> days).
> 2
> >> > > hrs
> >> > > later I drove the beat up car into work and got no crap about being
> >> late.
> >> > > His
> >> > > business insurance bought me a new door and a full paint job. FWIW-
> J
> >> > > DeRyke
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