[DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
Will Demelo
wdemelo at cogeco.ca
Sun Aug 15 06:28:28 EDT 2010
Ratings are quite different than the Nation Elec Code ratings. Interesting.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
To: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>;
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
> Will
>
> Try this link
>
> http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
>
> JT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> To: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>; "STEVEN BLUM"
> <steveblum2 at msn.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
>
>
>> Where did you get the amp ratings for the wire size?
>> Will
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> To: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
>>
>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> IMHO, Nothing wrong with 200. People get paranoid about temps in a
>>> Pantera due to its reputation for overheating. I believe that many
>>> Pantera owners operate their engine's too cool. We boast of our engines
>>> running at 185 on the highway; yet, that is less than ideal. 200 to 210
>>> is a good temp range that allows oil to get closer to its ideal 225.
>>> Some argue that a fan coming on at 180 allows the cooling system to get
>>> on top of keeping temps lower - I really do not buy that.
>>>
>>> Anyway, your temp sensor acts as a ground for your fan circuit when the
>>> radiator coolant hits 200 and allows the electrons to flow and fans to
>>> run. Actually, SO Bill has a tech report at Pantera Place that charts
>>> the accuracy, or better put inaccuracy, of Veglia temp gauges with
>>> various senders. I suspect that you actually have a 195 thermal switch
>>> and the inaccuracy of your gauge has you believing it is 200. If that
>>> be so, your engine coolant is actually cooler that you are informed by
>>> the temp gauge.
>>>
>>>
>>> Id recommend that you run a 10 or 12 gauge wire, depending on the amps
>>> of your fans, from the thermal switch to a switch on your dash. The
>>> dash switch is subsequently grounded, in the closed position, using 12
>>> or 10 gauge wire to the ground stud under the dash. It is better to
>>> utilize a central ground on the vehicle. If you use an existing switch
>>> on the center console, remove the daisy chained ground wire from that
>>> switch (if it be attached), as it is to light to carry the amps of the
>>> two fans, and use th
>>> e heavier wire previously mentioned ground wire. 12G carries 41 amps
>>> and 10G carries 55amps. 12G should be adequate for many 2 fan loads.
>>> SPAL fans are higher amperage and you might consider 10G.
>>>
>>> This will allow your thermal switch to still contribute to the cooling
>>> exercise, when you are distracted and not watching gauges while driving
>>> in the city, and allow you to override the thermal switch and turn the
>>> fans on at will.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> JT
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: STEVEN BLUM
>>> To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:27 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
>>>
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> The fans are not going on to 200+. I would rather them go on at 180.
>>> Which is correct?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> P.O. Box 81
>>> Shoreham, N.Y. 11786
>>> H (631) 744-6118
>>> C (631) 235-1905
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
>>> > To: steveblum2 at msn.com; dave at damardirect.com;
>>> detomasoregistry at gmail.com; dickruzzindesign at aol.com
>>> > CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin
>>> located?
>>> > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:29:45 -0500
>>> >
>>> > Steve, what exactly is the issue? Do you wish to be able to turn the
>>> fans
>>> > on before the thermo switch would normally kick them on, or do you
>>> feel the
>>> > thermo switch has the fan running when it is unnecessary?
>>> >
>>> > There are different wiring options of vary complexity depending on
>>> the
>>> > change you desire.
>>> >
>>> > JT
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>
>>> > To: <dave at damardirect.com>; <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>;
>>> > <dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
>>> > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:43 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin
>>> located?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > I am considering rewiring the fans from the temp controlled relay
>>> to a
>>> > > switch on the dash were I could turn them on or off based on the
>>> temp
>>> > > gauge. What wiring changes do I have to make? Which relay should I
>>> > > by-pass?
>>> > >
>>> > > Steve
>>> > > P.O. Box 81
>>> > > Shoreham, N.Y. 11786
>>> > > H (631) 744-6118
>>> > > C (631) 235-1905
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> From: dave at damardirect.com
>>> > >> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com; dickruzzindesign at aol.com
>>> > >> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:17:31 -0400
>>> > >> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin
>>> located?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I have a couple of the diodes if anyone wants them, cheap. I
>>> bought them
>>> > >> from Hall & then changed the wiring so I don't need them.
>>> > >> IndyDave
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com
>>> [mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:50 PM
>>> > >> To: 'dickruzzindesign'
>>> > >> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin
>>> located?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Spinning fans act as generators. The solution is to install a
>>> diode (or
>>> > >> two).
>>> > >> Think of a diode as a one-way door, so install in the correct
>>> direction.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Diodes are usually marked with a symbol kind-of like >|
>>> electricity flows
>>> > >> only
>>> > >> in the direction of the arrow. (to the right in my example)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Chuck Melton
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin
>>> located?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Another electrical question.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> My fans turn so fast on the freeway from airflow through the
>>> radiator,
>>> > >> without power, that the little light that tells me when the fans
>>> are
>>> > >> on glows at about 30% of full normal brightness (when the power is
>>> to
>>> > >> the fans).
>>> > >>
>>> > >> What is happening?
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> All the best,
>>> > >> DICK RUZZIN
>>> > >>
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