[DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?

Will Demelo wdemelo at cogeco.ca
Sun Aug 15 06:28:28 EDT 2010


Ratings are quite different than the Nation Elec Code ratings. Interesting.
Will
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
To: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>; "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>; 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?


> Will
>
> Try this link
>
> http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
>
> JT
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> To: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>; "STEVEN BLUM" 
> <steveblum2 at msn.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
>
>
>> Where did you get the amp ratings for the wire size?
>> Will
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> To: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
>>
>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> IMHO, Nothing wrong with 200.  People get paranoid about temps in a 
>>> Pantera due to its reputation for overheating.  I believe that many 
>>> Pantera owners operate their engine's too cool. We boast of our engines 
>>> running at 185 on the highway; yet, that is less than ideal. 200 to 210 
>>> is a good temp range that allows oil to get closer to its ideal 225. 
>>> Some argue that a fan coming on at 180 allows the cooling system to get 
>>> on top of keeping temps lower - I really do not buy that.
>>>
>>> Anyway, your temp sensor acts as a ground for your fan circuit when the 
>>> radiator coolant hits 200 and allows the electrons to flow and fans to 
>>> run.  Actually, SO Bill has a tech report at Pantera Place that charts 
>>> the accuracy, or better put inaccuracy, of Veglia temp gauges with 
>>> various senders.  I suspect that you actually have a 195 thermal switch 
>>> and the inaccuracy of your gauge has you believing it is 200.  If that 
>>> be so, your engine coolant is actually cooler that you are informed by 
>>> the temp gauge.
>>>
>>>
>>> Id recommend that you run a 10 or 12 gauge wire, depending on the amps 
>>> of your fans, from the thermal switch to a switch on your dash.  The 
>>> dash switch is subsequently grounded, in the closed position, using 12 
>>> or 10 gauge wire to the ground stud under the dash.  It is better to 
>>> utilize a central ground on the vehicle. If you use an existing switch 
>>> on the center console, remove the daisy chained ground wire from that 
>>> switch (if it be attached), as it is to light to carry the amps of the 
>>> two fans, and use th
>>> e heavier wire previously mentioned ground wire.  12G carries 41 amps 
>>> and 10G carries 55amps.  12G should be adequate for many 2 fan loads. 
>>> SPAL fans are higher amperage and you might consider 10G.
>>>
>>> This will allow your thermal switch to still contribute to the cooling 
>>> exercise, when you are distracted and not watching gauges while driving 
>>> in the city, and allow you to override the thermal switch and turn the 
>>> fans on at will.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> JT
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: STEVEN BLUM
>>>  To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
>>>  Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:27 PM
>>>  Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin located?
>>>
>>>
>>>  John,
>>>
>>>  The fans are not going on to 200+. I would rather them go on at 180. 
>>> Which is correct?
>>>
>>>  Steve
>>>  P.O. Box 81
>>>  Shoreham, N.Y. 11786
>>>  H (631) 744-6118
>>>  C (631) 235-1905
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  > From: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
>>>  > To: steveblum2 at msn.com; dave at damardirect.com; 
>>> detomasoregistry at gmail.com; dickruzzindesign at aol.com
>>>  > CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>  > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin 
>>> located?
>>>  > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:29:45 -0500
>>>  >
>>>  > Steve, what exactly is the issue? Do you wish to be able to turn the 
>>> fans
>>>  > on before the thermo switch would normally kick them on, or do you 
>>> feel the
>>>  > thermo switch has the fan running when it is unnecessary?
>>>  >
>>>  > There are different wiring options of vary complexity depending on 
>>> the
>>>  > change you desire.
>>>  >
>>>  > JT
>>>  >
>>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  > From: "STEVEN BLUM" <steveblum2 at msn.com>
>>>  > To: <dave at damardirect.com>; <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>;
>>>  > <dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
>>>  > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>  > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:43 PM
>>>  > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin 
>>> located?
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > >
>>>  > > I am considering rewiring the fans from the temp controlled relay 
>>> to a
>>>  > > switch on the dash were I could turn them on or off based on the 
>>> temp
>>>  > > gauge. What wiring changes do I have to make? Which relay should I
>>>  > > by-pass?
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Steve
>>>  > > P.O. Box 81
>>>  > > Shoreham, N.Y. 11786
>>>  > > H (631) 744-6118
>>>  > > C (631) 235-1905
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >> From: dave at damardirect.com
>>>  > >> To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com; dickruzzindesign at aol.com
>>>  > >> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:17:31 -0400
>>>  > >> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>  > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin 
>>> located?
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> I have a couple of the diodes if anyone wants them, cheap. I 
>>> bought them
>>>  > >> from Hall & then changed the wiring so I don't need them.
>>>  > >> IndyDave
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >> From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com 
>>> [mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
>>>  > >> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:50 PM
>>>  > >> To: 'dickruzzindesign'
>>>  > >> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>  > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin 
>>> located?
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> Spinning fans act as generators. The solution is to install a 
>>> diode (or
>>>  > >> two).
>>>  > >> Think of a diode as a one-way door, so install in the correct 
>>> direction.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> Diodes are usually marked with a symbol kind-of like >| 
>>> electricity flows
>>>  > >> only
>>>  > >> in the direction of the arrow. (to the right in my example)
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> Chuck Melton
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: where is this gremlin 
>>> located?
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> Another electrical question.
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> My fans turn so fast on the freeway from airflow through the 
>>> radiator,
>>>  > >> without power, that the little light that tells me when the fans 
>>> are
>>>  > >> on glows at about 30% of full normal brightness (when the power is 
>>> to
>>>  > >> the fans).
>>>  > >>
>>>  > >> What is happening?
>>>  > >> --
>>>  > >> All the best,
>>>  > >> DICK RUZZIN
>>>  > >> 
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