[DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration

wkooiman at earthlink.net wkooiman at earthlink.net
Tue Aug 3 13:17:31 EDT 2010


They look nice too, although they look like they belong on a track car.  It would be a bit much on a street car.

Goran has one too.  His isn't at the windshield, though.


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>From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2010 10:57 AM
>To: gow2 at rc-tech.net, PANTERA - John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
>Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com, mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
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>Check out photos of Greg Esakoffs race pantera or Colin Haney's (now sold)...both have over the roof intakes at windshield
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>--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>To: gow2 at rc-tech.net, "PANTERA - John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com, mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
>Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 7:31 AM
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>How about a "gill" on top of the car - lots of ram air there.
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>> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:33:57 -0600
>> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
>> To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
>> CC: michael at michaelshortt.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
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>> John I have applications which use fans to bring the air in; oil cooler 
>> and such. I also have an idea about bringing the boundry layer back in 
>> passing the a-piller:
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>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/sv3.jpg
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>> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/index.htm
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>> Gary
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>> John Taphorn wrote:
>> > I intend to eventually install a system on my GT5 to draw air in through the 
>> > side windows/vents.  My aim is to have a source of cooler denser air for the 
>> > engine.  The current flow pattern has us extracting air from the engine bay 
>> > that is heated as it passes by the headers first.
>> >
>> > I have listened to the debate for years about the 4" ear requirement on the 
>> > side of the car.  The advocates say it is necessary for the ram air effect. 
>> > That may be so, however, I am not seeking to ram air into the carburetor. 
>> > We certainly are not benefiting from ram air in the stock configuration, so 
>> > I don't see why it is postulated as a requirement when ever someone inquires 
>> > about ingesting air from the side.
>> >
>> > I am confident that if the intakes tract is extended to an opening in the 
>> > side gill/window even without an ear, the engine will suck in all the cooler 
>> > denser air that it needs despite the theoretical boundary layer.  Lord 
>> > knows, it certainly rushes into my car when I roll down the driver's window 
>> > without the benefit of anything, like an intake stroke, creating a lower 
>> > vacuum.
>> >
>> > JT
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> > To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>; <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>> > Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
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>> >   
>> >> Remember that there has been quite a number of strings regarding the 
>> >> merits
>> >> of side scoops and whether they really do any good unless they stick out 
>> >> far
>> >> enough to extend beyond the boundary layer created by the car.  If I 
>> >> recall
>> >> the figure was 6" to 8" out from the side of the car to actually "scoop"
>> >> some air.  'Like Michael said, it's your car, but I sure wouldn't want 
>> >> mine
>> >> looking like Dumbo on wheels . . .
>> >>
>> >> Something else I would think about too: if your car is an early '71, I
>> >> assume it has all the bright work on it (bumpers, mirrors, window trim,
>> >> etc.).  I recently saw an ad on EBay for an early '71 with steel group IV
>> >> flares, center exhaust from 180's, etc, and somehow all that just didn't
>> >> look right on a chrome bumpered car, having seen most Grp IV clones with
>> >> bumpers off or all trim blacked out.
>> >>
>> >> K, that's my .02.
>> >>
>> >> Mike Thomas
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
>> >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:56 PM
>> >> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>> >> Cc: pantera list
>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
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>> >> Thanks, Mike.  Why do I get the feeling you are preparing for a career in
>> >> politics with those two answers?  Seriously though, I like the hood vent
>> >> look, want to cut down on under car air pressure while gaining ducts for
>> >> brake air, and want a closed box cold air system.  I also considered 
>> >> cutting
>> >> a hole in my engine cover and placing the K&N in colder air above it.  I 
>> >> am
>> >> about function on just about everything on the car except the hood vents.
>> >>
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>> >>> On Aug 2, 2010 8:59 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
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>> >>> Guys, working out of state is killing my restoration plans and spare 
>> >>> time.
>> >>>  I hoped to be farthe...
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