[DeTomaso] 4" Elephant Ears - was; I've got to get going on my restoration

Tue Aug 3 13:19:53 EDT 2010

Dawg,

Do you know how big your ears are?  Are they 4"?

Remember, your ears work so poorly that one flew off at BBORR.  I guess that was the pressure pushing it out and not the laminar flow pulling it.  Right?

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 3, 2010 10:53 AM
>To: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, 'Rob Dumoulin' <rob at dumoulins.net>, michael at michaelshortt.com, John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>Cc: 'pantera list' <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: [DeTomaso] 4" Elephant Ears - was;	I've got to get going on my restoration
>
>Yes to cooler denser air....
>I started used an airbox in '96 before I got the ir-efi thinking it wouldn't hurt and it might even help while I was running open track and open road races..I don't know if it works or not. Scott Black hooked me up with a couple aero and design people like Pete Brock years ago who to me they were convinced the 4" ears probably stop working effectively at speeds much greater then a 100 mph.
> 
>After Mike Trusty and Dick Drenske added the fuel injection I just left the intake ears on thinking if nothing else they loooked great. And I would have someone design and fabricate  a air box (thanks Goran for the offer) fabricated for the fuel injection but then realized I didn't own a race car and I really didn't want to hide the polished intake or throttle bodies so I still don't know if a airbox does or does not work on a Pantera using side intake induction.
> 
>About a year ago at SilverState one of the Corvette guys asked me if I was going to add a airbox now that I had the fuel injection... and I said that I was......and he nodded his head and said, "yea good idea - you'll pick up more power".......
> 
>And as he is saying this I realize there is no way  I am going to hide that intake and throttle bodies with a air box'. ;-)>   
>
>
>Mad Dawg Antenucci 
>Team Pantera Racing 
>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
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>--- On Tue, 8/3/10, John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>To: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>, michael at michaelshortt.com
>Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 5:20 AM
>
>
>I intend to eventually install a system on my GT5 to draw air in through the 
>side windows/vents.  My aim is to have a source of cooler denser air for the 
>engine.  The current flow pattern has us extracting air from the engine bay 
>that is heated as it passes by the headers first.
>
>I have listened to the debate for years about the 4" ear requirement on the 
>side of the car.  The advocates say it is necessary for the ram air effect. 
>That may be so, however, I am not seeking to ram air into the carburetor. 
>We certainly are not benefiting from ram air in the stock configuration, so 
>I don't see why it is postulated as a requirement when ever someone inquires 
>about ingesting air from the side.
>
>I am confident that if the intakes tract is extended to an opening in the 
>side gill/window even without an ear, the engine will suck in all the cooler 
>denser air that it needs despite the theoretical boundary layer.  Lord 
>knows, it certainly rushes into my car when I roll down the driver's window 
>without the benefit of anything, like an intake stroke, creating a lower 
>vacuum.
>
>JT
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>; <michael at michaelshortt.com>
>Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>
>
>> Remember that there has been quite a number of strings regarding the 
>> merits
>> of side scoops and whether they really do any good unless they stick out 
>> far
>> enough to extend beyond the boundary layer created by the car.  If I 
>> recall
>> the figure was 6" to 8" out from the side of the car to actually "scoop"
>> some air.  'Like Michael said, it's your car, but I sure wouldn't want 
>> mine
>> looking like Dumbo on wheels . . .
>>
>> Something else I would think about too: if your car is an early '71, I
>> assume it has all the bright work on it (bumpers, mirrors, window trim,
>> etc.).  I recently saw an ad on EBay for an early '71 with steel group IV
>> flares, center exhaust from 180's, etc, and somehow all that just didn't
>> look right on a chrome bumpered car, having seen most Grp IV clones with
>> bumpers off or all trim blacked out.
>>
>> K, that's my .02.
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:56 PM
>> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
>> Cc: pantera list
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
>>
>> Thanks, Mike.  Why do I get the feeling you are preparing for a career in
>> politics with those two answers?  Seriously though, I like the hood vent
>> look, want to cut down on under car air pressure while gaining ducts for
>> brake air, and want a closed box cold air system.  I also considered 
>> cutting
>> a hole in my engine cover and placing the K&N in colder air above it.  I 
>> am
>> about function on just about everything on the car except the hood vents.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2010 8:59 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> Guys, working out of state is killing my restoration plans and spare 
>>> time.
>>>  I hoped to be farthe...
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