[DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration

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Tue Aug 3 11:57:13 EDT 2010


Check out photos of Greg Esakoffs race pantera or Colin Haney's (now sold)...both have over the roof intakes at windshield


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--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
To: gow2 at rc-tech.net, "PANTERA - John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
Cc: michael at michaelshortt.com, mbefthomas at comcast.net, detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 7:31 AM



How about a "gill" on top of the car - lots of ram air there.





> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:33:57 -0600
> From: gow2 at rc-tech.net
> To: jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
> CC: michael at michaelshortt.com; mbefthomas at comcast.net; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> 
> John I have applications which use fans to bring the air in; oil cooler 
> and such. I also have an idea about bringing the boundry layer back in 
> passing the a-piller:
> 
> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/paint1/sv3.jpg
> 
> http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/index.htm
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Taphorn wrote:
> > I intend to eventually install a system on my GT5 to draw air in through the 
> > side windows/vents.  My aim is to have a source of cooler denser air for the 
> > engine.  The current flow pattern has us extracting air from the engine bay 
> > that is heated as it passes by the headers first.
> >
> > I have listened to the debate for years about the 4" ear requirement on the 
> > side of the car.  The advocates say it is necessary for the ram air effect. 
> > That may be so, however, I am not seeking to ram air into the carburetor. 
> > We certainly are not benefiting from ram air in the stock configuration, so 
> > I don't see why it is postulated as a requirement when ever someone inquires 
> > about ingesting air from the side.
> >
> > I am confident that if the intakes tract is extended to an opening in the 
> > side gill/window even without an ear, the engine will suck in all the cooler 
> > denser air that it needs despite the theoretical boundary layer.  Lord 
> > knows, it certainly rushes into my car when I roll down the driver's window 
> > without the benefit of anything, like an intake stroke, creating a lower 
> > vacuum.
> >
> > JT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > To: "'Rob Dumoulin'" <rob at dumoulins.net>; <michael at michaelshortt.com>
> > Cc: "'pantera list'" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> >
> >
> >   
> >> Remember that there has been quite a number of strings regarding the 
> >> merits
> >> of side scoops and whether they really do any good unless they stick out 
> >> far
> >> enough to extend beyond the boundary layer created by the car.  If I 
> >> recall
> >> the figure was 6" to 8" out from the side of the car to actually "scoop"
> >> some air.  'Like Michael said, it's your car, but I sure wouldn't want 
> >> mine
> >> looking like Dumbo on wheels . . .
> >>
> >> Something else I would think about too: if your car is an early '71, I
> >> assume it has all the bright work on it (bumpers, mirrors, window trim,
> >> etc.).  I recently saw an ad on EBay for an early '71 with steel group IV
> >> flares, center exhaust from 180's, etc, and somehow all that just didn't
> >> look right on a chrome bumpered car, having seen most Grp IV clones with
> >> bumpers off or all trim blacked out.
> >>
> >> K, that's my .02.
> >>
> >> Mike Thomas
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
> >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:56 PM
> >> To: michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> Cc: pantera list
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] I've got to get going on my restoration
> >>
> >> Thanks, Mike.  Why do I get the feeling you are preparing for a career in
> >> politics with those two answers?  Seriously though, I like the hood vent
> >> look, want to cut down on under car air pressure while gaining ducts for
> >> brake air, and want a closed box cold air system.  I also considered 
> >> cutting
> >> a hole in my engine cover and placing the K&N in colder air above it.  I 
> >> am
> >> about function on just about everything on the car except the hood vents.
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >>> On Aug 2, 2010 8:59 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>> Guys, working out of state is killing my restoration plans and spare 
> >>> time.
> >>>  I hoped to be farthe...
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