[DeTomaso] Ford (Laminova) oil cooler project
Tomas Gunnarsson
guson at home.se
Wed Apr 28 16:35:20 EDT 2010
Ken,
The heater tubes inside the center tunnel run along the passenger side and
pass the shifter tower snugly against that side of the tunnel further
forward. If you plan on putting your cooler in the return line on the
drivers side there's most likely no need to move the heater tubes. The
heater tubes are also welded in place inside the tunnel in case you didn't
know... :-/ On the other hand you may want to add an oil cooler thermostat
as the return water temperature is not well defined under all driving
conditions. Driving in cold weather may over-cool the oil. If you do the
test I suggested with a tracing of the cooler outer limits you'll find that
it's surprisingly bulky if you want to avoid:
A The oil cooler and/or its oil lines becoming the lowest part of the car.
B Not hitting the coolant tube running next to it.
C Cutting out the floor pan around the cooler.
The space above the coolant tubes is not enclosed. There are numerous large
holes in the tunnel roof for the shifter and whatnot. The tunnel is
completely sealed downwards, not at all upwards.
Tomas
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: den 28 april 2010 22:15
To: detomaso at realbig.com; Tomas Gunnarsson
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford (Laminova) oil cooler project
Tomas,
You're right about the lack of space, but there is a separate
enclosed space for the heater lines right above the radiator tubes. If I
use an electric pump in the nose for the heater, the heater lines go away so
there is some extra room. Ideally, I'd run the oil lines in the space
provided for the heater hoses with minimal metal work to make room for the
heat exchanger bodies below.
As far as capacity, it seems like a system issue. Some engines
run hotter, some radiators don't cool as well, etc. Even the coolant you
use makes a difference. it seems almost like a black art.
I think that in the past, Dennis said you need an oil to water
heat exchanger for a sustained 150+ MPH. Most of us are not planning on
that any time soon, so the question is more like what makes sense for
sustained 120 or 130. If an oil cooler keeps the oil temp low enough at
these speeds, and these are your target speeds, then it's probably a good
solution.
Ken
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
From: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford (Laminova) oil cooler project
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 12:46 PM
Roland Jäckel said the same thing as MD and I can imagine that
autobahn
cruising and ORR is more than the Ford/Laminova can handle. For
track day
use with a street Pantera they work well, I use one myself.
Fitting the Ford cooler underneath the car doesn't work unless you
cut out
the floor above it almost entirely. I had a paper template of the
cooler
cross section that I slid along the coolant tube to test that.
Didn't work
on my car, your clearance may vary.
Tomas
-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Ken Green
Sent: den 28 april 2010 20:33
To: detomaso at realbig.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
Cc: Jason Eaton
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford (Laminova) oil cooler project
Ya, they may not work at "Mad Dog" WOT, but for the rest of us,
maybe? I
think John Taphorn and Jason Eaton have had good results with them
at normal
human WOT.
Ken
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford (Laminova) oil cooler project
To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:18 AM
If these are the ones I think they are they aren't worth a dam for
cooling
at WOT....check with Mike Trusty or Dick Drenske who are both
mechanical
engineers and can explain flow and restriction and cooling. ;-)
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
www.teampanteraracing.com
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:59:13 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford (Laminova) oil cooler project
I picked up several of these oil coolers, which have a
Laminova core and
appear to be functionally very similar to the Aeroquip Laminova
oil
coolers. I have looked but not measured the space available in
the tunnel
under the body for the radiator tubes. There is a separate
passage above
this area for the heater hoses. I would like to try to fit the
oil cooler
in series with the return water tube, and make a small hole in the
sheet
metal just above the tunnel and run the oil hoses (with
added insulation) where the heater hoses were, then use an
electric pump up
front to pump water to the heater.
I have too many other projects and can't get to this in the
short term.
If someone is interested in working on this, I will give them one
of the
used Ford oil coolers in exchange for them sharing their results.
Ken
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