[DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

Wed Apr 21 13:18:26 EDT 2010

Sorry  ;-)

I always think about the original owners, maybe I'm strange ( OK, we know
that already ).

But just how cool was the guy who came home with an 812 Cord back then?

What kind of guy bought a Cobra 289 in 1965 as a daily driver?

How many women graced the back seat of the 1957 Chev. Bel-Air I saw at the
 last car show?

Was the 1967 GTO I saw last weekend a Saturday Night warrior on some drag
strip 40 years ago?

Aside from the machinery, it's about the people and I actually look at the
stuff people display with their cars,
its a bit of history, sometimes it helps put the cars and life in general in
perspective.

When people ask me, is the Pantera yours?

 I like to say,

"It is for now, I'm just keeping it in shape for the next guy to enjoy after
me."

Michael Shortt

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:

>  *Michael Shortt wrote:*
> *
> Go to any auto museum or car show, 99% of the people who bought those cars
> when NEW are DEAD.*
>
>
> Gee, Mike, when you put it that way, it sounds so depressing.  I'll never
> be able to enjoy another car show again.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:58 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This forum is now run by POCA and appears to be open to everyone,
>>
>> But having said that, in the plan that I suggest, the Registry would be
>> open
>> to those who are in it
>> and who have paid to support it.
>>
>> Pay the fee, get the password, get the DPR document and have your car
>> notated from that point forward.
>>
>> Same as Shelby, Cobra, and others.
>>
>> I mean y'all pay for a Marti report, why not a DPR?
>>
>> I have no idea where FREE became a right,
>>
>> Don't get me started on US Politics.
>>
>> It costs money to gather information, post it, and maintain it.
>>
>> The Panteras cost money to buy, own and maintain, I don't expect gas for
>> FREE,
>> I don't expect Precision ProFormance to send me parts for FREE.
>>
>> If I paid to get a DPR document and be listed on the Registry, then I
>> would
>> expect to pay for the
>> service.  If only members of the Registry could have access or request a
>> 24
>> password for a
>> guest to use ( potential buyers perhaps ) that could work and again,
>> everybody gets something and we start to build a permanent database
>> that will outlive us all.  Remember, for the most part, we are guardians
>> of
>> these cars,
>> unless wrecked or neglected, they will outlast all of us.
>>
>> Go to any auto museum or car show, 99% of the people who bought those cars
>> when NEW are DEAD.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se> wrote:
>>
>> > I assume that those of us who are not POCA members would not have access
>> to
>> > the registry if it was run by POCA.
>> >
>> > Tomas
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> >  [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of Tony DiGiovanna
>> > Sent: den 21 april 2010 03:13
>> > To: 'John Taphorn'; detomaso at realbig.com; 'Chuck Melton'
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>> >
>> >
>> > Nice summary.  This rings true to me.  Not unlike running a chapter, or
>> > other volunteer organizations I am associated.
>> >
>> > POCA is an important resource for the marque owners.  Actually, the real
>> > resource is all of us.  The ideas, the labor, the power, comes from us.
>> >
>> > I have noted thru the years, a few repeat, and a few occasional, folks
>> take
>> > an initiative to get something relevant done.  I do not expect that to
>> > change much.
>> >
>> > However, I think one thing needs to change:  We all need to lower any
>> > personal aspirations, ego, expectations of intellectual property rights,
>> > etc. and unify our collective inputs into the POCA organization/network.
>> >
>> > Why do I think this important?  Because there are many pressures working
>> > against the growth of this (and other such) organizations.  Without
>> > increasing the relevance of the organization, it risks dying on the
>> vine.
>> > I, for one, think Pantera ownership would be so boring without the
>> > infrastructure of all you at my access.
>> >
>> > So, for example, drawing lines of ownership around something like the
>> > various registries (whether its POCA, VanNess, or Melton) just serves to
>> > dilute the efforts, confuse the masses, delay commitments.  We would be
>> > well
>> > served to unify that data and make it available to POCA members.  I hope
>> > Chuck finds the initiative to move it forward one step.  I hope POCA
>> finds
>> > the initiative to move it forward too.  I hope somebody else finds the
>> > initiative to help them both move it forward another step.
>> >
>> > If 1/4 of us do one thing in the name of the membership, we'll have 250
>> new
>> > relevant things.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> ]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of John Taphorn
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:25 PM
>> > To: Ken Green; gow2 at rc-tech.net; JDeRyke at aol.com
>> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com; Chuck Melton
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>> >
>> > While President of POCA, I tried in earnest to get a Registry sponsored
>> and
>> > hosted by POCA in place.  It is far more complicated than it sounds.  I
>> > successfully negotiated with Bill VanNess, the original Pantera Registry
>> > guy, and he eventually agreed to provide us with his database to seed
>> it.
>> > Although, admittedly, his data was dated and our website wasn't ready,
>> yet.
>> >
>> > Others came forward with data to support the initiative including a
>> > gentleman in Canada, whose name escapes me, who maintained a private
>> > registry of GT5s.
>> >
>> > As our effort to launch a new POCA website was glacial in it's progress,
>> > Chuck Melton stepped up to tackle the initiative on his own.  I will
>> add,
>> > he
>> >
>> > is tackling the effort with enthusiasm and doing , in my opinion, as
>> well
>> > as
>> >
>> > anyone could.
>> >
>> > I contacted Chuck on behalf of POCA and offered to host it on the POCA
>> > website, pay all the costs associated with it, and he would be the
>> Registry
>> > Director managing and supervising its content.
>> >
>> > At the time, Chuck was uncomfortable making a long term commitment to
>> POCA.
>> > He had his reasons and I will respect his privacy and not disclose.  I
>> do
>> > hope that he would reconsider one day.
>> >
>> > The reason POCA does not have a Registry is NOT a lack of funding, it is
>> a
>> > lack of personnel resources.  No one with the knowledge, time, energy or
>> > fortitude has stepped up to volunteer.  I suppose that some believe POCA
>> is
>> > comprised of paid staff who should be adding this to their list of
>> action
>> > items.  When in actuality, it is a group of volunteers who donate a lot
>> of
>> > time and energy to keep POCA relevant.
>> >
>> > I suspect that every member of the Board would emotionally support and
>> > cover
>> >
>> > reasonable software and hosting responsibilities of any competent
>> > individual
>> >
>> > or team that wished to set up a Registry on the POCA website.
>> >
>> > Frankly, it is people who can execute that make a difference, we all
>> have
>> > good ideas.
>> >
>> > JT
>> >
>> >
>> >  ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> > To: <gow2 at rc-tech.net>; <JDeRyke at aol.com>
>> > Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Chuck Melton" <Pantera007 at provamo.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:49 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems like Chuck Milton has been trying to get people to participate
>> in
>> > his free online registry, and has been criticized by people because he's
>> > using a little coercion to get participation? I'm not sure how well it
>> has
>> > worked, but at least he's doing something and on his own dime.
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 4/20/10, JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > From: JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>> > To: gow2 at rc-tech.net
>> > Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:07 AM
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 4/20/10 12:45:46 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net writes:
>> >
>> > > When POCA or some other club gets involved and makes a real official
>> > > effort like the way the Corvettes and other groups have, it would make
>> a
>> > > difference.
>> > >
>> > Agreed; want to volunteer to form a group to do one? That's the main
>> > problem, Bill- everyone wants access to such a registry but no one wants
>> to
>> > spend
>> > the years it takes to compile one. Which is a moving target anyway since
>> > details change daily due to sales, accidents, owner upgrades etc. And
>> POCA
>> > typically only offers encouragement- they're watching their pennies
>> pretty
>> > carefully these days. Finally, most good records reside in vendors
>> files,
>> > which
>> > they guard pretty carefully. Good luck- J DeRyke
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