[DeTomaso] # of surviving cars

Tue Apr 20 16:38:19 EDT 2010

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:

> A few notes.
>
> * POCA would very much like to have a full registry, however the time
> and effort to do so are huge.  A while back, Chuck estimated that he had
> put in over 2,000 hours on the registry to collect info, clean it up,
> get pictures, verify the info, etc.  There is also a lot of time to hook
> up old info with new info to form a timeline of ownership, mods, and
> events.  Of course, there is time and effort to build and maintain the
> software and general website work. For the work that I have seen him do,
> I am sure that it is well beyond 2,000 hours at this point (that's the
> equivalent of working fulltime for more a year.)
>

I think Chuck has done a wonderful thing with his site.
I don't think I implied anything else, what i siad was that you
can't have it accessible and private at the same time
and a password site seems to be the only way you can do it.

>
> * We have talked to Chuck about incorporating his registry into POCA and
> move it onto the POCA website, but he has chosen to keep things as is.
>

The information gathering process is very time consuming and laborious,
Chuck should be commended for doing the work.

>
> * Chuck has gone to great lengths to keep data private.  He does not
> release owner info without first contacting the owner for permission to
> release.  (I have noticed that people on this forum to tend to post
> other people's contact info publically, which makes me cringe.)
>
> * Chuck has around 3,000 cars in the registry, so it has the majority of
> the surviving cars.
>

That's nice to know and I think probably 90% of the cars that are left and
I'd bet that of those 3,000
that 50% are not road worthy.

>
> * Peter Havlik has assembled a registry of the late model Panteras, VINs
> 9000 through 9641.  He sent me a CD with an update which I will load
> onto the POCA website shortly.
>

So Mark, why don't you and the POCA people meet with Chuck in the middle,
as a mediator ( yes I do that too ) it's all about seeing why he wantsts
what he wants and
why you want what you (POCA ) want.

I'm sure that if overtures were made to Chuck that he would respond
to a business proposition whereby he is compensated for his efforts as a
percentage
of a Proper Registration Effort with Official Documentation.

If we all thought a proper "Detomaso Pantera Registry" hereinafter "DPR"
document
added value to a car, then it simply would.
The first question a future buyer would ask, Does your car have a DPR
Certificate?

As far as what the certificate implies is up to each individual, I
understand how Ken G can think what he wrote, we all have the same thoughts,
but these are because of bad experiences with other clubs where SOME members
are pricks, we have one or two of those too. All marques do.
Posuers, assholes and jerk offs. Check book and Trust fund babies and people
who don't look like me or use the wrong hand to write with or
have red Panteras instead of Yellow Panteras ( the only REAL Pantera ).

But what I'm putting out there is that if Chuck could use his list to market
the DPR and when you join it then becomes POCA property,
then EVERYBODY wins.  If the DPR certificate is 75.00, Fine, Pay Chuck 37.50
and keep 37.50, use 5.00 to print a neato Document ( suitable for framing )
and 15.00
to enter the info into a website and put the 10.00 difference in the general
fund.  Everybody wins and if Chuck can get 3,000
people to sign up, he makes $112,500 for his one year of work on the
project, everybody wins!

If you and I think the DPR certificate is worth 75.00, then it is, I know
one thing for sure, when I sell the car, if ever! I'll make my $75.00 back
and do my best to tell the buyer that buying a car WITHOUT a DPR is a BAD
Idea and he should reconsider any purchase that doesn't have one.

as far as it being a separate club, and dealing with snobs, life is full of
that in everything we do, the real difference to me is that the Pantera
Community is different, it always has been and it always will be.

Forgive me for my words, this is not a cars for Pu^^%$# and country club
golfers ( and IMHO  not having such realization is what hindered the car to
start with ,
 marketing a Pantera next to a Town Car and Continental, WTF were they
thinking ?)  Hello, old Dr. Smith and Mrs. Old Dr. Smith, here is our 8,000
Luxo barge that you are used to buying OR
we have this sporty car...shhhh, you wouldn't like it....now this one has a
padded vinyl roof...PLEEEEEEEZE )

again, just my Opinion, but if I could buy a certificate from the POCA that
was a REAL "DPR" document that had official weight and feel,and was backed
up with a current website
accessible by owners only,  I'dl buy it right now!

So have you offered Chuck 112,500 or just wanted his work for FREE,

Chuck, have you actually considered selling the work product to help the
brand survive?

The answer is in the middle somewhere, the effort is working hard to find
exactly where and then doing it.

Michael Shortt

>
> See more info about Pantera registries at
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/cl/reg
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: GW
> Cc: JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
>
>  I think most people agree with you.
>
> If the POCA had a clue, they would realize that this could be a small
> profit
> center for Official Documentation and Registration,
> But considering my experience with them just keeping membership records
> and
> billing straight, well that's a lot to hope for.
> I know that the players have changed and I know there are not enough of
> us
> to hire full time employees like the Mustang or Shelby
> folks.
> But if I could get an official looking document that verified the car's
> build date, original colors, specs, etc. and this became a part of a
> National Registry
> and an ADDED Value to MY Carr because I had it ( like Bloomington, the
> GTO
> registry, Cobras or something ) then it would be worth the 50.00 to
> 100.00
> it should cost to
> establish such a list.
>
> It will only work if there is an incentive to make it happen, the
> incentive
> has to be CASH,
> or private Brazilian Girls attention ( so I'm told ) and since pandering
> is
> illegal, looks like Cash wins out.
>
> The documentation will only be worth anything if we all say it's worth
> something, but as we all know, the Pantera community
> is made up of rebels, miscreants and hell raisers ( thus the appeal of
> the
> car and probably why we all get along on this forum )
> and not "Joiners".
> This is one of the few groups that don't applaud the increased values of
> cars, but derides those cars as "not being worth that much"
> as has been said," I have seen the enemy and it is US"
>
> We have to be better cheerleaders for each other, build up the brand
> value
> and start to account for ourselves
> better if we are going to build up the value of these cars.
>
>  A registry is one way to fast track the effort and POCA should in my
> opinion take the lead in such an endeavor.
>
> all of course in just my opinion,
>
> Michael Shortt
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:08 PM, GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
>
> > I would also like to see it backed by a group such as POCA. In doing
> so it
> > would have to have strict rules or guidelines as to what content is
> verified
> > and to perhaps to what level of verification. Anything less would
> amount to
> > Wikipedea and only muddy the waters of what is true which is why most
> will
> > not participate in anything less..
> >
> >
> > G
> >
> >
> > michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >>  Here's the problem and one that we all have issues with to some
> degree or
> >> another.
> >>  Who gets to see the registry and what information gets shared?
> >>  Name of Owner
> >> Email of Owner
> >> Date of Acquisition
> >> VIN of Car
> >> Photos of Car
> >> City of Car
> >>  That's what I'm willing to share,
> >> where it lives, stays parked or stored, etc.
> >>  isn't going to be shared with strangers.
> >> Mailing me a bunch of crap isn't going to happen.
> >> Asking how much I paid isn't going to happen.
> >>  So how can we establish a sight that is user controlled, yet
> maintainable
> >> and linked to all the others?
> >>  I own the domain "detomasopanteraregistry.com <
> >> http://detomasopanteraregistry.com>" and have for years,
> >>
> >> when a reasonable and viable answer to the above is presented, I'd be
> >> happy
> >> to allow the domain name use for such a purpose.
> >> It should not be a for profit deal.
> >>  I know of no other current idea aside from the effort of  Chuck's (
> which
> >> requires a password )
> >> which is good for privacy but also a PIA, clearly you can't have it
> both
> >> ways.
> >>  One idea may be a group effort on a social networking site
> >> with everyone creating a page for their car and linking all these
> pages
> >> together as friends...but it requires each owner and when you add
> people
> >> you always add problems.
> >>  Can the registry software of Shelby or others be licensed?
> >>  Michael Shortt
> >>
> >>  On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM, <JDeRyke at aol.com <mailto:
> >> JDeRyke at aol.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>    In a message dated 4/20/10 12:45:46 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net
> >>    <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net> writes:
> >>
> >>    > When POCA or some other club gets involved and makes a real
> official
> >>    > effort like the way the Corvettes and other groups have, it
> >>    would make a
> >>    > difference.
> >>    >
> >>    Agreed; want to volunteer to form a group to do one? That's the
> main
> >>    problem, Bill- everyone wants access to such a registry but no one
> >>    wants to spend
> >>    the years it takes to compile one. Which is a moving target anyway
> >>    since
> >>    details change daily due to sales, accidents, owner upgrades etc.
> >>    And POCA
> >>    typically only offers encouragement- they're watching their
> >>    pennies pretty
> >>    carefully these days. Finally, most good records reside in vendors
> >>    files, which
> >>    they guard pretty carefully. Good luck- J DeRyke
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