[DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
Mark McWhinney
msm at portata.com
Tue Apr 20 16:04:28 EDT 2010
A few notes.
* POCA would very much like to have a full registry, however the time
and effort to do so are huge. A while back, Chuck estimated that he had
put in over 2,000 hours on the registry to collect info, clean it up,
get pictures, verify the info, etc. There is also a lot of time to hook
up old info with new info to form a timeline of ownership, mods, and
events. Of course, there is time and effort to build and maintain the
software and general website work. For the work that I have seen him do,
I am sure that it is well beyond 2,000 hours at this point (that's the
equivalent of working fulltime for more a year.)
* We have talked to Chuck about incorporating his registry into POCA and
move it onto the POCA website, but he has chosen to keep things as is.
* Chuck has gone to great lengths to keep data private. He does not
release owner info without first contacting the owner for permission to
release. (I have noticed that people on this forum to tend to post
other people's contact info publically, which makes me cringe.)
* Chuck has around 3,000 cars in the registry, so it has the majority of
the surviving cars.
* Peter Havlik has assembled a registry of the late model Panteras, VINs
9000 through 9641. He sent me a CD with an update which I will load
onto the POCA website shortly.
See more info about Pantera registries at
http://www.poca.com/index.php/cl/reg
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On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:26 PM
To: GW
Cc: JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] # of surviving cars
I think most people agree with you.
If the POCA had a clue, they would realize that this could be a small
profit
center for Official Documentation and Registration,
But considering my experience with them just keeping membership records
and
billing straight, well that's a lot to hope for.
I know that the players have changed and I know there are not enough of
us
to hire full time employees like the Mustang or Shelby
folks.
But if I could get an official looking document that verified the car's
build date, original colors, specs, etc. and this became a part of a
National Registry
and an ADDED Value to MY Carr because I had it ( like Bloomington, the
GTO
registry, Cobras or something ) then it would be worth the 50.00 to
100.00
it should cost to
establish such a list.
It will only work if there is an incentive to make it happen, the
incentive
has to be CASH,
or private Brazilian Girls attention ( so I'm told ) and since pandering
is
illegal, looks like Cash wins out.
The documentation will only be worth anything if we all say it's worth
something, but as we all know, the Pantera community
is made up of rebels, miscreants and hell raisers ( thus the appeal of
the
car and probably why we all get along on this forum )
and not "Joiners".
This is one of the few groups that don't applaud the increased values of
cars, but derides those cars as "not being worth that much"
as has been said," I have seen the enemy and it is US"
We have to be better cheerleaders for each other, build up the brand
value
and start to account for ourselves
better if we are going to build up the value of these cars.
A registry is one way to fast track the effort and POCA should in my
opinion take the lead in such an endeavor.
all of course in just my opinion,
Michael Shortt
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:08 PM, GW <gow2 at rc-tech.net> wrote:
> I would also like to see it backed by a group such as POCA. In doing
so it
> would have to have strict rules or guidelines as to what content is
verified
> and to perhaps to what level of verification. Anything less would
amount to
> Wikipedea and only muddy the waters of what is true which is why most
will
> not participate in anything less..
>
>
> G
>
>
> michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>
>> All,
>> Here's the problem and one that we all have issues with to some
degree or
>> another.
>> Who gets to see the registry and what information gets shared?
>> Name of Owner
>> Email of Owner
>> Date of Acquisition
>> VIN of Car
>> Photos of Car
>> City of Car
>> That's what I'm willing to share,
>> where it lives, stays parked or stored, etc.
>> isn't going to be shared with strangers.
>> Mailing me a bunch of crap isn't going to happen.
>> Asking how much I paid isn't going to happen.
>> So how can we establish a sight that is user controlled, yet
maintainable
>> and linked to all the others?
>> I own the domain "detomasopanteraregistry.com <
>> http://detomasopanteraregistry.com>" and have for years,
>>
>> when a reasonable and viable answer to the above is presented, I'd be
>> happy
>> to allow the domain name use for such a purpose.
>> It should not be a for profit deal.
>> I know of no other current idea aside from the effort of Chuck's (
which
>> requires a password )
>> which is good for privacy but also a PIA, clearly you can't have it
both
>> ways.
>> One idea may be a group effort on a social networking site
>> with everyone creating a page for their car and linking all these
pages
>> together as friends...but it requires each owner and when you add
people
>> you always add problems.
>> Can the registry software of Shelby or others be licensed?
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM, <JDeRyke at aol.com <mailto:
>> JDeRyke at aol.com>> wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 4/20/10 12:45:46 AM, gow2 at rc-tech.net
>> <mailto:gow2 at rc-tech.net> writes:
>>
>> > When POCA or some other club gets involved and makes a real
official
>> > effort like the way the Corvettes and other groups have, it
>> would make a
>> > difference.
>> >
>> Agreed; want to volunteer to form a group to do one? That's the
main
>> problem, Bill- everyone wants access to such a registry but no one
>> wants to spend
>> the years it takes to compile one. Which is a moving target anyway
>> since
>> details change daily due to sales, accidents, owner upgrades etc.
>> And POCA
>> typically only offers encouragement- they're watching their
>> pennies pretty
>> carefully these days. Finally, most good records reside in vendors
>> files, which
>> they guard pretty carefully. Good luck- J DeRyke
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