[DeTomaso] Race trailers

Tue Apr 6 21:27:26 EDT 2010

Depending on your state regs and GVWR of the trailer you may require a license endorsement, NV requires one for a trailer over 10,000lbs GVWR. The skills tests makes sure amongst otehr things that you know how to reverse the thing....

Personally I wouldn't want to try and pull anything close to 10,000lbs GVWR with a 'burban, getting anywhere close to that you'll probably want a load equalizing hitch.

I have a 32' triple axle gooseneck and here's some good and bad I have noted over my hauling ownership;

1. after buying the trailer and hauling it 300 miles home, realized I needed a bigger truck and a diesel. The Dodge V10 would pass anything except a gas station.....

2. twin axle would be sufficient, the payload for the triple axles is 9,000lbs, but I have no intention or need to haul around a suburban, although I guess you could carry a spare one, but that's kinda "chicken and egg" stuff.

3. get a trailer with 82" between wheel wells for a wide body Pantera.

4. I find 24' of floor space is about right for hauling one car plus tools, fuel and spares etc.

5. One extremely useful thing (and absolute necessity for the GT40) is a 48" side access door over the axles, this allows me to open the car door and exit with ease, rather than ungracefully clamber out of windows etc.

6. Installing e-track on the floor and walls allows plenty of flexibility in tie downs and storage etc.

7. Wish I had electric jacks, conversion is costly.

8. Trailering the car to the track now lets me focus on driving the car and not about the drive home afterwards.

Julian

> From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:04:37 -0400
> To: msm at portata.com
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com; detomasoregistry at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Race trailers
> 
> yeah, I agreee, if you are new to towing, for Heaven's sake, find a WalMart
> parking lot and practice backing up and parking it at all kinds of angles,
> there is nothing more idiotic than watching some "race car driver" who can't
> park a trailer.
> 
> Michael Shortt
> 
> ditto on the winch, screw pushing the car up a ramp into a box, let 12V do
> the job and don't sweat it.
> 
> a collection of cut 2 x 4 sections is also nice if you need a level trailer
> and I always have the four corner trailer stands ( fold up design)
> installed so that it is stable when unattached from the tow vehicle.
> 
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> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Mark McWhinney <msm at portata.com> wrote:
> 
> > Great lists.
> >
> > The only think I can add is:
> >
> > - Winch for loading dead car
> > - Good locks for the doors
> > - Good locks for the wheels and/or hitch
> > - Wheel blocks for the trailer, wheel blocks for the car in the trailer
> > - Boom box / TV for end of day relaxing especially if camping
> > - Pantera banner / flag to hang from side of trailer
> >
> >
> > - Also, practice backing up with the trailer before getting into a tight
> > spot on the road
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> > On Behalf Of michael at michaelshortt.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:39 PM
> > To: detomasoregistry at gmail.com
> > Cc: List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Race trailers
> >
> > OK, road racing, more time to kill, less track time
> >
> >
> > Bar B que grill
> > Propane
> > camp stove
> >
> > are you camping or hoteling it?
> >
> > milk jugs filled with sand to hold down the EZ UP tent legs ( the wind
> > will
> > grab one and do some serious damage to another car FAST )
> > Tenet stakes and a real camping hammer/hatchet
> > lots of rope, like a repelling cotton rope
> >
> > power cords
> >
> > blue plastic tarps
> >
> > rain suits
> >
> > small vacuum 110V cleaner ( tire bits and dirt )
> >
> > a weed wacker ( you'll understand )
> >
> > snake bite kit
> >
> > a supply of real nice toliet paper, track bathrooms SUCK and they use
> > crappy
> > TP
> >
> > flip flops ( track showers are disgusting )
> > fresh towels
> >
> > tree trimming saw/clippers
> >
> > fire starter
> >
> > duraflame logs
> >
> >
> >
> > A lot depends upon if this "friend" is going to fully experience the
> > road
> > racing lifestyle and hang out at the track
> > at night
> >
> > or be the rich prick who brings a semi truck and a provost and drives up
> > in
> > the bentley,
> > changes in the motorcoach, chats with Nigel the car handler,
> > drives a few laps, goes back in the motorcoach with wife #3, does his
> > busioness, then comes out to qualify or race and them drives back home
> > while Nigel wraps up camp and handles the Prevost and the semi
> >
> > I HATE those guys and used to beat their ass every week,
> >
> > but guess who was having more fun....
> >
> > NOT ME.
> >
> >
> > Michael Shortt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> > michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > bag chairs
> > >
> > > Beach umbrella
> > >
> > > camera
> > >
> > > portable welder
> > >
> > > grinder
> > >
> > > spare tubing
> > >
> > > spare corners
> > >
> > > spare nose
> > >
> > > brake pads
> > >
> > > brake bleeding kit
> > >
> > > dirty oil/fluids containers
> > >
> > > spray can rack mounted on the inside of the door
> > >
> > > brake clean (case)
> > >
> > > carb cleaner ( case)
> > >
> > > wd 40
> > >
> > > black spray paint
> > >
> > > windex
> > >
> > > paper towel roll holder
> > >
> > > water bottles
> > >
> > > a shower curtain on a clothesline inside the trailer
> > > , you make your own changing area to get into your drivers suit, a
> > metal
> > > folding chair
> > > ( ever try to put on Nomex socks and tie your shoes in a bag chair?)
> > >
> > > eye wash kit with squirt bottle
> > >
> > > super glue
> > >
> > > hans device or something
> > >
> > > a walking crutch
> > > a neck brace
> > > ace bandages
> > > ice packs
> > > burn treatment
> > > mechanics gloves
> > > cotton gloves
> > > electrical tape
> > >
> > > spare MSD box
> > > spare electris everything for the car
> > >
> > > carb jets
> > >
> > > spare helmet with spare visors
> > > tear offs
> > >
> > > Michael Shortt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM, michael at michaelshortt.com <
> > > michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You didn't say if this was dirt or asphalt racing?
> > >>
> > >> Here's a partial stab at it
> > >>
> > >> Maximum size (presume: tow behind a 'Bourbon 13,000 lbs max)
> > (height,
> > >> length, width,
> > >> weight.)
> > >>
> > >> Depending upon the tracks that yo are going to visit, enough extra
> > room
> > >> for few tool boxes and a golf cart is always nice.
> > >>
> > >> frame (steel versus aluminum)
> > >>
> > >> Steel is better for heavier "stcoK" type car if you have the torque
> > to
> > >> pull it
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> dual axle (versus triple axle)
> > >>
> > >> More a function of weight and length, you will find that longer
> > trailers
> > >> have three and shorter trailers have two.
> > >>
> > >> walls, flooring, roof etc.
> > >>
> > >> INSULATED is nice, you can buy a RV A/C unit or two and roof mount
> > them
> > >> easy as pie, they run off of a portable genny that you'll want to
> > roll out
> > >> of thye trailer, not built in, to loud and too much trouble.
> > >>
> > >> vents
> > >>
> > >> a must have if you are in the south and or have gas stored inside,
> > you'll
> > >> want the air to circulate while being towed and when locked up
> > >>
> > >> electrical (12V batteries, 110 converters, amps needed)
> > >>
> > >> most tracks will NOT have those outlets, people use gennys, nice to
> > have a
> > >> good one, for track s that have 110/220, expect to pay dearly.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> lighting
> > >>
> > >> Basic flores. tubes are fine, you'll want a few work light treess
> > from
> > >> Harbor freight to use outside the trailer.
> > >>
> > >> security
> > >>
> > >> Pad locks, tounge locks and I rigged up a car alarm powered by a 12v
> > >> battery hooked up to a solar recharger mounted on the roof,
> > >> even even the battery only lasted 2 week before it died.
> > >>
> > >> fuel storage
> > >>
> > >> to get it to and from th track ONLY, them get it out of the trailer.
> > >> PERIOD.
> > >>
> > >> tire storage
> > >>
> > >> Wall racks mounted to frame, tire rack has them, a good welder can
> > >> fabricate what you need from 1" square tubing in less than a couple
> > of
> > >> hours.
> > >>
> > >> work bench ideas
> > >>
> > >> Sounds good,, almost never used, you would be better served with a
> > couple
> > >> of folding tables to set up trackside.
> > >>
> > >> My trailer work bench was a helmet holder and buffet line 75% of the
> > time.
> > >>
> > >> tool boxes
> > >>
> > >> Rolling ones from home, install Etrack and roll'en in and out when
> > you go.
> > >> double secure them with ratchet straps
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> weight balance
> > >>
> > >> follow trailer maker's rules, you want it more nose heavy or it will
> > >> fishtail all over the highway.
> > >>
> > >> awning
> > >>
> > >> Nice to have.
> > >>
> > >> a couple of EZ up tents are much cheaper and unlike awnings, you can
> > move
> > >> them around as the sun moves around.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> stowage (how best to place what where and how to secure)
> > >>
> > >> Nose box for dirty stuff, wheel chocks, chains, etc.
> > >>
> > >> list of options/contents etc.
> > >>
> > >> rolls of indoor outdoor carpet to lay down
> > >>
> > >> sheets of 1/4 plywood to lay down
> > >>
> > >> jack pads steel plates for soft ground
> > >>
> > >> Bug lights
> > >>
> > >> frsh water
> > >>
> > >> fire ext
> > >>
> > >> first aid kits
> > >>
> > >> flash lights
> > >>
> > >> Nitrogen bottle,
> > >>
> > >> always good for pit stops
> > >>
> > >> portable compressor ?,
> > >>
> > >> for use when you have more time
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ice chest.
> > >>
> > >> duh!!!!!!
> > >>
> > >> What to bring (what not to bring, etc).
> > >>
> > >> bug spray
> > >>
> > >> spf 30
> > >>
> > >> hats
> > >>
> > >> towles
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> paper towels
> > >>
> > >> hand cleaner
> > >>
> > >> portable parts cleaner set up
> > >>
> > >> troble lights
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> jack stands
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2 floor jacks
> > >>
> > >> extra air tools ( 2 of everything
> > >>
> > >> pop rivet kits
> > >>
> > >> Nut sert kits
> > >>
> > >> zip ties
> > >>
> > >> bungee cords
> > >>
> > >> duct tape
> > >>
> > >> food
> > >>
> > >> portable fan on a stand
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Michael Shortt
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> A friend has asked me for some ideas/advice on getting and setting
> > up a
> > >>> trailer (enclosed)
> > >>> for a
> > >>>
> > >>> "race" hobby car.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> A friend of his has/had a 24 foot (?) trailer he might sell
> > (upgrading
> > >>> his setup), neither
> > >>> guy is in a hurry.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I was un-willing to offer much advice as I don't currently have a
> > race
> > >>> trailer, but I told
> > >>> him I'd help gather info.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Seems like a great topic to infinitely BS about!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sure it might be good to go to a track event, walk the pits and ask
> > for
> > >>> advice. So lets
> > >>> pretend this is what I am doing!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So if people could point me to websites or offer their own
> > knowledge,
> > >>> from experience,
> > >>> that would be great.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> My old website had a bunch of pages and pics Pantera-specific
> > trailers,
> > >>> but when Geocities
> > >>> went away the collection
> > >>>
> > >>> was probably lost.
> > >>>
> > >>> So if people would send some pics of the inside of their trailers
> > that
> > >>> would help with the
> > >>> layout/planning phase,
> > >>>
> > >>> and help us not forget something important.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So now is your chance to help a "newbie"!
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll start a list of. Things to consider:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Maximum size (presume: tow behind a 'Bourbon 13,000 lbs max)
> > (height,
> > >>> length, width,
> > >>> weight.)
> > >>>
> > >>> frame (steel versus aluminum)
> > >>>
> > >>> dual axle (versus triple axle)
> > >>>
> > >>> walls, flooring, roof etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> vents
> > >>>
> > >>> electrical (12V batteries, 110 converters, amps needed)
> > >>>
> > >>> lighting
> > >>>
> > >>> security
> > >>>
> > >>> fuel storage
> > >>>
> > >>> tire storage
> > >>>
> > >>> work bench ideas
> > >>>
> > >>> tool boxes
> > >>>
> > >>> weight balance
> > >>>
> > >>> awning
> > >>>
> > >>> stowage (how best to place what where and how to secure)
> > >>>
> > >>> list of options/contents etc.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Nitrogen bottle, portable compressor ?,
> > >>>
> > >>> ice chest.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> What to bring (what not to bring, etc).
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> This is just a partial list to get you guys thinking.
> > >>>
> > >>> I may even add this stuff to a web page for all to view.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> You may contact me directly (off-list) if you prefer.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Chuck
> > >>>
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> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Michael L. Shortt
> > >> Savannah, Georgia
> > >> www.michaelshortt.com
> > >> michael at michaelshortt.com
> > >> 912-232-9390
> > >>
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> > > Michael L. Shortt
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> > > michael at michaelshortt.com
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