[DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant

Sun Sep 20 10:50:10 EDT 2009

Those are a tad larger in OD than the 285/40-15 tires but if you're trying to fill the Gr4 flares with 245 mm wide tires you're going to have to go crazy on front rim offset.

Tomas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
To: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant

> Typo 245/40/17
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:09 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
> 
> 
>> Will,
>>
>>
>>
>> 245/30-17  ???  I don't believe this size is available.
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 335/35/17 and 245/30/17
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
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>>
>>> What tires are you aiming for?
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca
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>>> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:02 PM
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>>>
>>>> I'm trying to order 10 spoke GR4 rims in a 17" height.
>>>> Will
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:29 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
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>>>>
>>>>> Will,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think you can get away with 6.5" BS with 15" wheels as the 10"
>>>>> rears have about 5.5" BS and there's not an additional inch to spare
>>>>> against the A-arms as far as I can tell. With larger rims this is not a
>>>>> problem but if you're trying to duplicate stock wheel offsets something
>>>>> sounds wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca
>> <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >
>>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian K went with 4 5/8 F and 4 3/4 R with 10" F and 13"R rims. This
>>>>>> happens to be exactly what Larry Stock states as factory.
>>>>>> Byers states that their 4.5" and 6.5" backspacing measurements are
>>>>>> factory
>>>>>> because his wheel manufacturer uses  orig wheels as templates.
>>>>>> Who's on first?
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
>> <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >
>>>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
>> <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not particularly fond of using backspacing for specifying rims. I
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> offset combined with rim and tire width better. Anyway, as you're
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Gr4 conversion the basic idea must be to replicate fender flares that
>>>>>>> cover GT5 sized wheels. Starting at the rear, the GT5 rims are 3"
>>>>>>> wider
>>>>>>> than the 10" GTS rims. The 345 tires are 60 mm or about 2.5" wider
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> the 285s which means the outer edge of the 13" wheel is about 3"
>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>> out than the 10". The GT5 and GTS wheels have similar but not
>>>>>>> identical
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>> spacing, it's as simple as a question of not hitting the lower A-arm
>>>>>>> mounts. Up front the deal is similar. Rims are 2" wider with similar
>>>>>>> backspacing, tire is again 60 mm wider so outside of wheel should be
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> 2.5" further out. Kjetil Finne converted his narrow body with Gr4
>>>>>>> flares
>>>>>>> and retained his old 17" wheels for narrow body. Up front he built 
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> A-arms to move the wheels out and at the rear he uses monstrous
>>>>>>> spacers,
>>>>>>> IIRC more than 4", to get the right look. Someone with a GT5 maybe 
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> offset
>>>>>>> numbers available? They're stamped on the wheels. If you're going to
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> larger wheels than 15" diameter you'll be running into other 
>>>>>>> clearance
>>>>>>> issues as the OD of the wheels will likely go up. You'll have to
>>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>> whether to retain the position of the wheel in the wheel well or the
>>>>>>> ground clearance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca
>> <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >
>>>>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
>> <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> >
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I appologise for last weeks post with the expletives.
>>>>>>>> I am trying to convert my car to GR4. The fibreglass flares are 
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be riveted on, just as from the factory.
>>>>>>>> I ordered wheels from a vendor last fall and the agreed upon price
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> not charged to my card. Apparently there was more machining 
>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>> After waiting 3-4 months, I gave up and cancelled the order. The
>>>>>>>> wheels
>>>>>>>> had not beed started yet (confirmed by Kodiak). I had to threaten
>>>>>>>> credit
>>>>>>>> card fraud to get my money back.
>>>>>>>> I recently placed another order to another vendor. I was told that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> had converted many cars. I mounted the flares on my car using clamps
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> took measurements to the hub surface.
>>>>>>>> After requesting the backspace measurements 3 times, I was finally
>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>> 4.5"F and 6.5"R.
>>>>>>>> The reproduction Campys I have on my car now, with stock narrow 
>>>>>>>> body,
>>>>>>>> have a 6.25" backspacing. Now I'm no math major, but how are new
>>>>>>>> wheels,
>>>>>>>> with almost the same backspacing be correct after I extend the 
>>>>>>>> flares
>>>>>>>> outward about 4"??
>>>>>>>> I was told by the vendor that I was doing things backwards. I should
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> the wheels and then modify the flares to accomodate. I don't agree
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> this. There is zero movement with my flares. They have to meet front
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> rear body lines and then the upper portion gets pushed to meet the
>>>>>>>> body.
>>>>>>>> I don't inderstand how I can't mount my flares to the body, take
>>>>>>>> measurements and order wheels with custom offsets.
>>>>>>>> Ron L has just spent $5500 on GR4  wheels from a vendor and he
>>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>>> 1" spacers in the rear. I know of another fellow with a factory GT5
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the GR4 wheels he ordered with "factory" specs required 1 1/2"
>>>>>>>> spacers
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the rear and 3/4 in the front.
>>>>>>>> I'll be damned if I am going to spend uwards of $5k to then have to
>>>>>>>> replace studs and install spacers.
>>>>>>>> I try my best to send all info and communicate to only have vendors
>>>>>>>> ship
>>>>>>>> me parts, at my expense.
>>>>>>>> Will
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