[DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant

Sat Sep 19 17:22:21 EDT 2009

Typo 245/40/17

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Nunn" <dnunn at telus.net>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant


> Will,
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> 245/30-17  ???  I don't believe this size is available.
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> David
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> 335/35/17 and 245/30/17
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
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>> What tires are you aiming for?
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca
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>> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
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>>> I'm trying to order 10 spoke GR4 rims in a 17" height.
>>> Will
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:29 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
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>>>> Will,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you can get away with 6.5" BS with 15" wheels as the 10"
>>>> rears have about 5.5" BS and there's not an additional inch to spare
>>>> against the A-arms as far as I can tell. With larger rims this is not a
>>>> problem but if you're trying to duplicate stock wheel offsets something
>>>> sounds wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Tomas
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca
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>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:10 PM
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Julian K went with 4 5/8 F and 4 3/4 R with 10" F and 13"R rims. This
>>>>> happens to be exactly what Larry Stock states as factory.
>>>>> Byers states that their 4.5" and 6.5" backspacing measurements are
>>>>> factory
>>>>> because his wheel manufacturer uses  orig wheels as templates.
>>>>> Who's on first?
>>>>> Will
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se
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>>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not particularly fond of using backspacing for specifying rims. I
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> offset combined with rim and tire width better. Anyway, as you're
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Gr4 conversion the basic idea must be to replicate fender flares that
>>>>>> cover GT5 sized wheels. Starting at the rear, the GT5 rims are 3"
>>>>>> wider
>>>>>> than the 10" GTS rims. The 345 tires are 60 mm or about 2.5" wider
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> the 285s which means the outer edge of the 13" wheel is about 3"
>>>>>> further
>>>>>> out than the 10". The GT5 and GTS wheels have similar but not
>>>>>> identical
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> spacing, it's as simple as a question of not hitting the lower A-arm
>>>>>> mounts. Up front the deal is similar. Rims are 2" wider with similar
>>>>>> backspacing, tire is again 60 mm wider so outside of wheel should be
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> 2.5" further out. Kjetil Finne converted his narrow body with Gr4
>>>>>> flares
>>>>>> and retained his old 17" wheels for narrow body. Up front he built 
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> A-arms to move the wheels out and at the rear he uses monstrous
>>>>>> spacers,
>>>>>> IIRC more than 4", to get the right look. Someone with a GT5 maybe 
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> offset
>>>>>> numbers available? They're stamped on the wheels. If you're going to
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> larger wheels than 15" diameter you'll be running into other 
>>>>>> clearance
>>>>>> issues as the OD of the wheels will likely go up. You'll have to
>>>>>> choose
>>>>>> whether to retain the position of the wheel in the wheel well or the
>>>>>> ground clearance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca
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>>>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com
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>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I appologise for last weeks post with the expletives.
>>>>>>> I am trying to convert my car to GR4. The fibreglass flares are 
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be riveted on, just as from the factory.
>>>>>>> I ordered wheels from a vendor last fall and the agreed upon price
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> not charged to my card. Apparently there was more machining 
>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>> After waiting 3-4 months, I gave up and cancelled the order. The
>>>>>>> wheels
>>>>>>> had not beed started yet (confirmed by Kodiak). I had to threaten
>>>>>>> credit
>>>>>>> card fraud to get my money back.
>>>>>>> I recently placed another order to another vendor. I was told that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> had converted many cars. I mounted the flares on my car using clamps
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> took measurements to the hub surface.
>>>>>>> After requesting the backspace measurements 3 times, I was finally
>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>> 4.5"F and 6.5"R.
>>>>>>> The reproduction Campys I have on my car now, with stock narrow 
>>>>>>> body,
>>>>>>> have a 6.25" backspacing. Now I'm no math major, but how are new
>>>>>>> wheels,
>>>>>>> with almost the same backspacing be correct after I extend the 
>>>>>>> flares
>>>>>>> outward about 4"??
>>>>>>> I was told by the vendor that I was doing things backwards. I should
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> the wheels and then modify the flares to accomodate. I don't agree
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this. There is zero movement with my flares. They have to meet front
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> rear body lines and then the upper portion gets pushed to meet the
>>>>>>> body.
>>>>>>> I don't inderstand how I can't mount my flares to the body, take
>>>>>>> measurements and order wheels with custom offsets.
>>>>>>> Ron L has just spent $5500 on GR4  wheels from a vendor and he
>>>>>>> requires
>>>>>>> 1" spacers in the rear. I know of another fellow with a factory GT5
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the GR4 wheels he ordered with "factory" specs required 1 1/2"
>>>>>>> spacers
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the rear and 3/4 in the front.
>>>>>>> I'll be damned if I am going to spend uwards of $5k to then have to
>>>>>>> replace studs and install spacers.
>>>>>>> I try my best to send all info and communicate to only have vendors
>>>>>>> ship
>>>>>>> me parts, at my expense.
>>>>>>> Will
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