[DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant

Will Demelo wdemelo at cogeco.ca
Sat Sep 19 16:32:39 EDT 2009 

335/35/17 and 245/30/17
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant


> What tires are you aiming for?
>
> Tomas
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
>
>
>> I'm trying to order 10 spoke GR4 rims in a 17" height.
>> Will
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
>>
>>
>>> Will,
>>>
>>> I don't think you can get away with 6.5" BS with 15" wheels as the 10"
>>> rears have about 5.5" BS and there's not an additional inch to spare
>>> against the A-arms as far as I can tell. With larger rims this is not a
>>> problem but if you're trying to duplicate stock wheel offsets something
>>> sounds wrong.
>>>
>>> Tomas
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:10 PM
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
>>>
>>>
>>>> Julian K went with 4 5/8 F and 4 3/4 R with 10" F and 13"R rims. This
>>>> happens to be exactly what Larry Stock states as factory.
>>>> Byers states that their 4.5" and 6.5" backspacing measurements are
>>>> factory
>>>> because his wheel manufacturer uses  orig wheels as templates.
>>>> Who's on first?
>>>> Will
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Will,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not particularly fond of using backspacing for specifying rims. I
>>>>> like
>>>>> offset combined with rim and tire width better. Anyway, as you're 
>>>>> doing
>>>>> a
>>>>> Gr4 conversion the basic idea must be to replicate fender flares that
>>>>> cover GT5 sized wheels. Starting at the rear, the GT5 rims are 3" 
>>>>> wider
>>>>> than the 10" GTS rims. The 345 tires are 60 mm or about 2.5" wider 
>>>>> than
>>>>> the 285s which means the outer edge of the 13" wheel is about 3" 
>>>>> further
>>>>> out than the 10". The GT5 and GTS wheels have similar but not 
>>>>> identical
>>>>> back
>>>>> spacing, it's as simple as a question of not hitting the lower A-arm
>>>>> mounts. Up front the deal is similar. Rims are 2" wider with similar
>>>>> backspacing, tire is again 60 mm wider so outside of wheel should be
>>>>> about
>>>>> 2.5" further out. Kjetil Finne converted his narrow body with Gr4 
>>>>> flares
>>>>> and retained his old 17" wheels for narrow body. Up front he built new
>>>>> A-arms to move the wheels out and at the rear he uses monstrous 
>>>>> spacers,
>>>>> IIRC more than 4", to get the right look. Someone with a GT5 maybe has
>>>>> the
>>>>> offset
>>>>> numbers available? They're stamped on the wheels. If you're going to 
>>>>> use
>>>>> larger wheels than 15" diameter you'll be running into other clearance
>>>>> issues as the OD of the wheels will likely go up. You'll have to 
>>>>> choose
>>>>> whether to retain the position of the wheel in the wheel well or the
>>>>> ground clearance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomas
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
>>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I appologise for last weeks post with the expletives.
>>>>>> I am trying to convert my car to GR4. The fibreglass flares are going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be riveted on, just as from the factory.
>>>>>> I ordered wheels from a vendor last fall and the agreed upon price 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> not charged to my card. Apparently there was more machining involved.
>>>>>> After waiting 3-4 months, I gave up and cancelled the order. The 
>>>>>> wheels
>>>>>> had not beed started yet (confirmed by Kodiak). I had to threaten
>>>>>> credit
>>>>>> card fraud to get my money back.
>>>>>> I recently placed another order to another vendor. I was told that 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> had converted many cars. I mounted the flares on my car using clamps
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> took measurements to the hub surface.
>>>>>> After requesting the backspace measurements 3 times, I was finally 
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> 4.5"F and 6.5"R.
>>>>>> The reproduction Campys I have on my car now, with stock narrow body,
>>>>>> have a 6.25" backspacing. Now I'm no math major, but how are new
>>>>>> wheels,
>>>>>> with almost the same backspacing be correct after I extend the flares
>>>>>> outward about 4"??
>>>>>> I was told by the vendor that I was doing things backwards. I should
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> the wheels and then modify the flares to accomodate. I don't agree 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> this. There is zero movement with my flares. They have to meet front
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> rear body lines and then the upper portion gets pushed to meet the
>>>>>> body.
>>>>>> I don't inderstand how I can't mount my flares to the body, take
>>>>>> measurements and order wheels with custom offsets.
>>>>>> Ron L has just spent $5500 on GR4  wheels from a vendor and he 
>>>>>> requires
>>>>>> 1" spacers in the rear. I know of another fellow with a factory GT5 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the GR4 wheels he ordered with "factory" specs required 1 1/2" 
>>>>>> spacers
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the rear and 3/4 in the front.
>>>>>> I'll be damned if I am going to spend uwards of $5k to then have to
>>>>>> replace studs and install spacers.
>>>>>> I try my best to send all info and communicate to only have vendors
>>>>>> ship
>>>>>> me parts, at my expense.
>>>>>> Will
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