[DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant

Sat Sep 19 12:17:27 EDT 2009

What tires are you aiming for?

Tomas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
To: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant

> I'm trying to order 10 spoke GR4 rims in a 17" height.
> Will
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
> 
> 
>> Will,
>>
>> I don't think you can get away with 6.5" BS with 15" wheels as the 10" 
>> rears have about 5.5" BS and there's not an additional inch to spare 
>> against the A-arms as far as I can tell. With larger rims this is not a 
>> problem but if you're trying to duplicate stock wheel offsets something 
>> sounds wrong.
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:10 PM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: FOR Sale Rant
>>
>>
>>> Julian K went with 4 5/8 F and 4 3/4 R with 10" F and 13"R rims. This
>>> happens to be exactly what Larry Stock states as factory.
>>> Byers states that their 4.5" and 6.5" backspacing measurements are 
>>> factory
>>> because his wheel manufacturer uses  orig wheels as templates.
>>> Who's on first?
>>> Will
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>
>>>
>>>> Will,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not particularly fond of using backspacing for specifying rims. I 
>>>> like
>>>> offset combined with rim and tire width better. Anyway, as you're doing 
>>>> a
>>>> Gr4 conversion the basic idea must be to replicate fender flares that
>>>> cover GT5 sized wheels. Starting at the rear, the GT5 rims are 3" wider
>>>> than the 10" GTS rims. The 345 tires are 60 mm or about 2.5" wider than
>>>> the 285s which means the outer edge of the 13" wheel is about 3" further
>>>> out than the 10". The GT5 and GTS wheels have similar but not identical
>>>> back
>>>> spacing, it's as simple as a question of not hitting the lower A-arm
>>>> mounts. Up front the deal is similar. Rims are 2" wider with similar
>>>> backspacing, tire is again 60 mm wider so outside of wheel should be 
>>>> about
>>>> 2.5" further out. Kjetil Finne converted his narrow body with Gr4 flares
>>>> and retained his old 17" wheels for narrow body. Up front he built new
>>>> A-arms to move the wheels out and at the rear he uses monstrous spacers,
>>>> IIRC more than 4", to get the right look. Someone with a GT5 maybe has 
>>>> the
>>>> offset
>>>> numbers available? They're stamped on the wheels. If you're going to use
>>>> larger wheels than 15" diameter you'll be running into other clearance
>>>> issues as the OD of the wheels will likely go up. You'll have to choose
>>>> whether to retain the position of the wheel in the wheel well or the
>>>> ground clearance.
>>>>
>>>> Tomas
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
>>>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:56 PM
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] FOR Sale Rant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I appologise for last weeks post with the expletives.
>>>>> I am trying to convert my car to GR4. The fibreglass flares are going 
>>>>> to
>>>>> be riveted on, just as from the factory.
>>>>> I ordered wheels from a vendor last fall and the agreed upon price was
>>>>> not charged to my card. Apparently there was more machining involved.
>>>>> After waiting 3-4 months, I gave up and cancelled the order. The wheels
>>>>> had not beed started yet (confirmed by Kodiak). I had to threaten 
>>>>> credit
>>>>> card fraud to get my money back.
>>>>> I recently placed another order to another vendor. I was told that they
>>>>> had converted many cars. I mounted the flares on my car using clamps 
>>>>> and
>>>>> took measurements to the hub surface.
>>>>> After requesting the backspace measurements 3 times, I was finally told
>>>>> 4.5"F and 6.5"R.
>>>>> The reproduction Campys I have on my car now, with stock narrow body,
>>>>> have a 6.25" backspacing. Now I'm no math major, but how are new 
>>>>> wheels,
>>>>> with almost the same backspacing be correct after I extend the flares
>>>>> outward about 4"??
>>>>> I was told by the vendor that I was doing things backwards. I should 
>>>>> get
>>>>> the wheels and then modify the flares to accomodate. I don't agree with
>>>>> this. There is zero movement with my flares. They have to meet front 
>>>>> and
>>>>> rear body lines and then the upper portion gets pushed to meet the 
>>>>> body.
>>>>> I don't inderstand how I can't mount my flares to the body, take
>>>>> measurements and order wheels with custom offsets.
>>>>> Ron L has just spent $5500 on GR4  wheels from a vendor and he requires
>>>>> 1" spacers in the rear. I know of another fellow with a factory GT5 and
>>>>> the GR4 wheels he ordered with "factory" specs required 1 1/2" spacers 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the rear and 3/4 in the front.
>>>>> I'll be damned if I am going to spend uwards of $5k to then have to
>>>>> replace studs and install spacers.
>>>>> I try my best to send all info and communicate to only have vendors 
>>>>> ship
>>>>> me parts, at my expense.
>>>>> Will
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