[DeTomaso] Brake Conversion Options

Thu Sep 17 17:07:35 EDT 2009

In discussing this with Wilwood that is exactly what they said.

Gary

> Coleman can make smaller dia rotors and there are plenty of calipers out
> there to pick from.  From my limited understanding, you need heavy enough
> rotors to have enough thermal mass in the rotor to deal with the short
> term heat, and you need vented rotors and maybe some ducting to deal
> with long term heat.  If you call Coleman Racing and describe your use I'm
> sure they can recommend calipers and rotors for you.  Just try to get
> rotors with an 8 on 7 5/8 pattern so you can bolt them to the Wilwood
> hats, or you may need custom hats. 
>  
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Dan Courtney <dfcex at excaliburre.com> wrote:
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> From: Dan Courtney <dfcex at excaliburre.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Conversion Options
> To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, "Julian Kift"
> <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:31 PM
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> I'd prefer to stick with my 15' wheels, as I have two sets, with extra
> slicks.
>  
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken Green
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: dfcex at excaliburre.com ; De Tomaso List
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Conversion Options
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> Thanks Boyd,
>  
>     But I don't intend to get in the business of selling calipers.  I
> bought 996 turbo calipers when I saw good deals to help launch the
> upgrade.  They show up regularly on ebay for anywhere between $700 and
> $1,500 a set, and I think a new set would be about $2,400.  I think they
> are exceptionally high quality, an excellent match to a Pantera,
> available, and there are lots of pad options.  But they also require 17
> inch front wheels.  At some point you have make a decision and run with
> it.  These calipers seemed to be a good point to make the decision.
>  
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 9/17/09, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Conversion Options
> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: dfcex at excaliburre.com, "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:21 AM
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> Ken Green has a Brembo conversion that uses Brembo calipers from a Porsche
> 911 Turbo  (996) They are 4 piston and some of the vendors charge between
> $7000 and $8000 for a full conversion. The Brembo's are considered
> supierior
> ( over Willwood) if you use your car for street and track because the have
> dust seals and are made to hold up to extended use by consumers (vs
> mechanics or racers with pit crews) The Willwood or other racing calipers
> are supposed to be serviced much more often due to the lack of dust
> sheilds
> and seals. You can get  Calipers and custom machined billet mounting
> adapters from Ken and he recomends Coleman rotors and Willwood hats. You
> can
> get the pricing from Ken but I can tell you it's a deal you can't beat and
> you can't argue with Brembo or Porsche. I believe most people go with
> Willwood because new Brembo's cost a fortune. I bought four calipers from
> him and all they needed was a new coat of "Clear coat"" I will send you
> pictures if you would like to see how well they came out. I can also make
> a
> set of new decals for the calipers for you if you buy calipers from Ken.
> They come with Porsche logos and I can make decals that have the Brembo
> logo
> or , Detomaso, or Pantera. They are heat resistant and after you put them
> one you spray a few coats of heat resistant clear coat. I will make them
> for
> you for free if you cover the cost of the heat resistant decal paper ( a
> few
> bucks) You can do front and rear , he has mounting brackets for both. He
> is
> also working on a rear brake conversion that has a new custom billet
> carrier
> that uses new better bearings, makes changing the rotors simple and
> converts
> from half shafts to CV joints.  I bought the calipers from him but I
> haven't
> done the conversion yet.
>
> Contact Ken if you are interested or if you want pictures of the
> refinished
> calipers with the Brembo decals let me know and I will send you pictures.
>
> Boyd.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Julian Kift
> <julian_kift at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> There are certainly other options to Wilwood, I'm rebuilding my '74 with
>> Coleman rotors and Sierra calipers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> > From: dfcex at pacbell.net
>> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:02:30 -0700
>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Conversion Options
>> >
>>  > I just had the front rotors turned and new pads for The Beast and
>> within 10 laps at Laguna I got a real bad vibration and noticed hot
>> spots on
>> the right front rotor, so I assume it's already been warped again. The
>> steering column shakes so bad on hard braking it feels like it's ready
>> to
>> break loose.
>> > The rotors and calipers are from a 69 Boss 429.
>> > I'll be double checking to make sure the correct pads were used.
>> > Assuming they were I may be next looking for a different set-up, to
>> handle the stopping requirements of track use.
>> > It's been suggested I convert to late model Corvette brakes, has
>> anyone
>> tried this?
>> > Are there other options, besides the Willwood packages?
>> >
>> > Dan Courtney
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