[DeTomaso] Will's next car...was eBay scam

Mon Oct 19 21:56:41 EDT 2009

One more comment before we get together for a group hug and start singing hippie love songs...

The Pantera community is tremendous.  We've all heard stories about how someone was helped by someone that would normally be called a stranger.  We can't call them strangers, though, since we're all linked through the Pantera brotherhood.  I bet if you got a million monkeys banging on a million keyboards, you couldn't reproduce the acts of Pantera kindness displayed over the last 30 years.

I suspect that all marques have a similar brotherhood.  I also suspect, though, that the per-capita brotherhood is much greater in the Pantera community.  Hell, the Pantera brotherhood is probably greater, even if you ignore the Pantera population.

On the flip side, there are Pantera owners that are jerks.  I haven't met any, but I'm sure they're out there.  I suspect the same is true with the other marques.

The point I'm trying to make is that I'm not saying Vette owners are jerks.  I hope nobody took it that way.  My Vette ownership dilemma is strictly based on how the car makes me feel.  The 512TR felt magical.  The Pantera does too.  The Viper GTS - not so much.  A Vette has the looks and is a fantastic performance value.  So far, though, it doesn't get me excited.

I can't believe I even said that.  I've been commuting from Houston to Dallas the last 4 years.  The last 2 years has been in the Insight.  A moped is more exciting (but it doesn't get as good of mileage).

-----Original Message-----
>From: wkooiman at earthlink.net
>Sent: Oct 19, 2009 9:09 PM
>To: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>, boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
>Cc: Will Kooiman <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Will's next car...was eBay scam
>
>What people think...
>
>I would love to have a Ferrari Testarossa.  They range from $45K to about $95K.  I'd also love to have a Viper GTS (same price range - the curvy one, not the current body style).  I could afford either one.  I can't drive either to work, though, nor could I let people know I own one.  Why?  It leads to discussions about how I could afford such a car - they probably pay me too much.  I've seen people lose their contract because their car was too expensive (a Porsche Cayman in one case, believe it or not).
>
>It really irritates me.  I can finally afford a Ferrari (kids grown, no major bills, etc.), but I can't buy one because I might lose my job, and then I couldn't afford one anymore.
>
>That wasn't what I was talking about, though.
>
>I don't care what the people on the road think, unless it changes how they act towards me.  I've been honked at, flipped off, cussed, etc. in my wife's Porsche.  I've been cut off, swerved at, flipped off, etc. in the Honda Insight.  I only get thumbs-up in the Pantera - plus some pacing while they take pics.  I don't care what the other drivers think until it changes the way they act.
>
>Since I know you're thinking it, I haven't instigated the aggressive behavior.  It's usually just because of the car I was driving.
>
>Again - that's not what I was talking about.
>
>I'm not worried about what my friends think.  If they think poorly of me because I bought a Corvette, then either
>
>a) they weren't my friend, or
>b) they aren't anymore, so I'm probably better off.
>
>That wasn't what I was talking about, though.  What I was talking about is how it makes me feel.
>
>I got to drive a 512TR earlier this year.  It wasn't nearly as fast as my Pantera, but my gosh, it felt good.  It felt better than hitting a 300-yard drive on a par-4.  Maybe it's because it was another of my dream cars.  Maybe it was the sound.  I don't know.  All I know, is it made me feel great.
>
>My Pantera makes me feel the same way, but it feel unfinished.  There are lots of little things (and several big things) that need to be done to catch up to the 512TR magic feeling.
>
>When I start getting serious about buying a Corvette, I get an empty feeling in my gut.  Maybe it was the @holes in my hometown.  Maybe it's something else.  I don't know.  Maybe I need to find a nice Corvette, and just date for a while.
>
>And, believe it or not, M.F., you are one of the reasons why I want a Corvette.  I value your opinion.  I hear everything you're saying.  My wife is reason #1 (you're #2 - sorry).  She likes Corvettes.  My neighbor's Z06 is reason #3.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>>Sent: Oct 19, 2009 7:16 PM
>>To: boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>, michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
>>Cc: Will Kooiman <wkooiman at earthlink.net>, pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Will's next car...was eBay scam
>>
>>Well, That is certainly a post that illuminates my opportunities for 
>>self-improvement.
>>
>>John, the Pantera guy, T
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>>To: "michael frazier" <red3644 at hotmail.com>
>>Cc: "Will Kooiman" <wkooiman at earthlink.net>; "pantera list" 
>><detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:09 AM
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Will's next car...was eBay scam
>>
>>
>>> Remember , there will always be people who identify other people by their
>>> possessions. Anyone worth knowing knows that it is the person and his 
>>> ideas
>>> that is important not his possessions. You will be identified as the
>>> interesting intelligent guy that happens to own a corvette. Anyone that
>>> places your owning a corvette a part of the description of who you are as 
>>> a
>>> man before they list or think of your qualities as a person is not worth
>>> worrying about. And think how much good you could do for the image of
>>> Corvette owners everywhere. The three types of people , People who talk
>>> about ideas (rated #1) people who talk    about other people (rated # 2)
>>> people who talk about " things" rated # 3. ( truthfully as far as I am
>>> concerned no 's 2 &3 are interchangeable) " To thine own self be true" if
>>> you want a corvette  , get a corvette set a precedent and I'm sure you 
>>> will
>>> find many other corvette owners just like you who have kept a low profile
>>> because of the actions of a few jerks.
>>> Boyd
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM, michael frazier 
>>> <red3644 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will Kooiman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I would love  to buy a late model Corvette. They're magnificent cars, 
>>>> and
>>>> at a great  price.
>>>>
>>>> However, there were several people in my home town with Corvettes,  and
>>>> they were
>>>>
>>>> complete @ssholes. I'm tempted to buy a C5 Z06, but I can't  stop 
>>>> thinking
>>>> about the jerks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Will...maybe it was just your home town and everyone was an a$$h01E 
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>      Don't worry about those guys.  I've been in the Mustang club for 
>>>> over
>>>> 30 years, president 6 times,
>>>>
>>>> and had just about every kind of Mustang I ever wanted.  Today I can say
>>>> that it is the Mustang
>>>>
>>>> community who is the most self-centered and close minded people I meet at
>>>> events.  The Corvette
>>>>
>>>> group I'm with now are much more friendly and outgoing.  So, don't 
>>>> deprive
>>>> yourself.  If you need a
>>>>
>>>> cool Corvette owner image, just think of me.  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Frazier
>>>> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa ...The new Mustangs are Ricers with V8s.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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