What guys in Oregon do for fun.... First video is how it should be done........right: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL58hUAGQu8) Second video is how it sometimes is done.........poorly: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-V8cMwkXTk)