[DeTomaso] The Fake Pantera Lives????

[forestg at att.net]

 My 72 pre L has both.
  -------------- Original message from "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>: --------------


> Mike
> I am quite certain that your 1972 Pantera never had the plate that surrounds
> the VIN on the top of the footbox. Mine didn't either
> Pre-L Panteras did not have a "Body Service Number" on a plate in the engine
> bay or the metal tag that normally surrounds the VIN. I have been studying
> photos of 71-72 pre-L cars for originality for 8 years and I have not seen
> one with the "Body Service Number" or the plate that surrounds the VIN on
> the top of the footbox. I'm not sure at what point in the "L" production the
> change to add these items happened, but perhaps sometime later in 1973? I'm
> pretty sure that all the Ford program Panteras had felt in the front trunk
> and not carpet.
> Barry
> 
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> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&
> Itemid=57&g2_itemId=335
> 
> Um yea... I guess a link would help.
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> 
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> 
> 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
> 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
> 
> ******************************
> http://www.asajay.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> > Here is an example of the VIN stamped in the metal of top of the pedal
> > box.  In -this- case, the metal tag that normally surrounds the VIN is
> > gone.  I don't know it was every there.  This is a photo of -my- car, a
> > 1973 L, I purchased it from the original owner and have all
> > documentation to say it's original.  It doesn't have the plate, I don't
> > know why.
> >
> > But I -do- know the plates exist on other cars and there is a cutout
> > that would normally expose the VIN like in my photo.
> >
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >
> > & Shelley Marie
> > Spokane, WA
> >
> > 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
> > 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
> >
> > ******************************
> > http://www.asajay.com
> > http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> In a message dated 10/7/09 16 50 36, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I checked all the Vin numbers on my car , and the body tags and no where
> >>> did
> >>> I find a  surround with the place for the Vin # cut out. . My car is a
> >>> 1973
> >>> L and may be different from the model you cited . It has the Vin on the
> >>> dash
> >>> in the corner of the windshield, a partial Vin on a Detomaso tag near
> the
> >>> master cylinder and the full Vin on a plastic tag with additional info
> ion
> >>> the drivers side door jamb. None of them had a cut out section with a
> >>> plate
> >>> over the Vin #.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Your cutout plate, like mine, has probably been removed when somebody
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> reupholstered the front trunk.   There is only one real, official VIN on
> the
> >> car, and the others are just copies for convenience.   The official VIN
> is
> >> stamped on the top of the box that supports the brake vacuum booster, the
> >> carpet had a rectangular cutout there, and the the plate with the cutout
> section
> >> goes on top of that.   Do you have carpet on top of your brake booster
> box,
> >> with nothing else?   If so, peel it back and you'll find your car's
> actual
> >> VIN underneath--hopefully it matches the others!
> >>
> >> And your friendly Pantera vendors will gladly sell you a reproduction
> >> cutout plate, so that you can trim your carpet, and then you can affix it
> in the
> >> appropriate spot to return your car to its original appearance. :>)
> >>
> >> The 'partial VIN' on a tag next to the booster is almost assuredly your
> >> Body Service Number--a five-digit number, beginning with a "5", and
> having no
> >> relationship to the VIN whatsoever.   It's sort of a secondary VIN, a
> number
> >> used internally by Ford to identify the cars sequentially, because
> although
> >> the bodies were numbered sequentially at the Vignale factory in Turin, by
> >> the time they were trucked to Modena, and shuffled in and out of storage
> lots
> >> etc. before they ran down the final assembly line, the cars were no
> longer
> >> in numerical order.   The BSN allowed Ford to document changes, with 'all
> >> cars after BSN such-and-such now have this feature', something that was
> >> somewhat impossible to do with the VIN, unless the change was one that
> took place
> >> in Turin, and not Modena.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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