[DeTomaso] Early Pantera Wiring question

[Doug Braun]

Doubtful, because from what I remember, the green/black AC clutch wire is
present in the harness.  And the AC clutch only requires one wire and this
is a pair of black wires.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Seib [mailto:oldwheel at mts.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:45 PM
To: Doug Braun
Subject: [DeTomaso] Early Pantera Wiring question

I just went and had a look at the early wiring diagram. I'd like to put a
guess on the black wires being leads to the AC compressor clutch. Whadya say
Doug?

Barry
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Forest,

	I know what your talking about, but on the late cars this is an 18 awg red
wire from the coil + to the sensor and then from the sensor to the throttle
solenoid which is grounded at the carb.  This would only explain one of the
two black "mystery" wires and doesn't explain why they are so thick (12 or
14 awg).

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On Behalf Of forestg at att.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:18 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Early Pantera Wiring question

Doug,
If I remember correctly the original cars had a sensor that controlled the
vacuum to the dual diaphram advance/retard unit with a switch on top that
would de-energize a throttle position solenoid to lower the idle RPM when
the engine temp got above a set point. Maybe these wires are for something
like that
 -------------- Original message from "Doug Braun"
<doug at silicondesigns.com>: --------------

> Nope, it uses the voltage regulator.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com [mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:21 PM
> To: 'Doug Braun'; 'DeTomaso Forum'
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Early Pantera Wiring question
>
> Does the car have a one wire alternator?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at
realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug
> Braun
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:04 PM
> To: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Early Pantera Wiring question
>
> On a very early pushbutton Pantera I'm working on for a friend, I've made
> sense of all the connections to the engine and firewall electricals except
> for two.  There are two black colored wires that appear to be original
> because they enter the wire harness in an unmolested fashion.  Both are
the
> same gauge (12 or 12 AWG) and they enter the harness at the same point
(just
> above the alternator), but head off into the harness in opposite
directions.
> Only about 6" of each remains sticking out of the harness but their ends
> they are connected together along with non-stock section of wire that went
> somewhere before but the owner doesn't remember where.  I'm  assuming
> they're a ground of some kind but I can't find where they head off to and
a
> continuity check shows they're not currently connected to the frame
> somewhere.  I checked to see if one of them becomes the black wire on the
> fuel sender but no connection measured on the Ohm-meter.  Can anyone shed
> some light on this?
>
> Doug Braun
> blue 73L #5505