[DeTomaso] The Great Dyno Project Donations

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Thu Oct 1 12:39:21 EDT 2009


Dear Forum, 

Dan Jones' recent technical posts and Maddog's offer to donate the old 180s for the dyno project should be reminders to us to consider donating *cash* to Dan Jones through his PayPal account specifically to defray the dynometer project costs. Dan has the knowledge and expertise and motivation to actually and objectively test our favorite 351C engine in several rational high performance variations for our collective benefit. All of this has immediate and real application for anyone considering engine upgrades or rebuilds. Please consider donating to the fund to help this excellent project along to completion. 

Warmest regards, Chuck Engles



---- Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks Dan for your usual complete response and references.....Your presumation was right! ;-]>
>I meant to reference the differences on the C302 vs C302B heads....bringing the old headers to fabricator for mock up.
>
>As promised I will donate my old 180'S to your on-going project if you still need them.
>
>
> 
>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>Team Pantera Racing
>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
>To: detomaso at realbig.com
>Sent: Wed, September 30, 2009 9:22:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] C302B vs C302C EXHAUST PORT HEIGHT????? - 180 HEADERS
>
>>Do you know if there are deck port height dimension differences between 302B and 302C heads?
>
>I presume you mean C302 and C302B heads and not C3 Yates (C3L or C3H).
>In unported form, there may be a minor difference in where the port floor
>is but that difference will be swamped by differences in porting and
>milling done to the specific heads in question.  If by 302B you actually
>mean B351, then there is a chance the flanges are different.  There were
>two high port head exhaust bolt patterns.  The top row of bolts for the
>early heads is about a bolt diameter lower than that of later heads.  The
>very earliest heads have a flange that is straight across at the top bolt
>hole so you can't simply weld up the bolt holes and drill them higher.
>Though there were two bolt patterns, I've seen three variations:
>
>1. Late heads with raised upper bolt hole row.  Fel Pro p/n 1417 for A3
>  cylinder heads (1.94" diameter round port size) is the proper gasket.
>
>2. Intermediate heads with flange that will accept raised upper bolt hole
>  row.  If need be, the upper row of holes can be welded shut and re-drilled.
>
>3. Early heads with flange that has lower upper row of bolt holes.  Flange
>  can not be drilled for raised upper row.
>
>Pictures of the various exhaust patterns can be seen here:
>
>http://www.bacomatic.org/gallery2/v/hidden/dan/dan-cars/album04/A3_early_exhaust.jpg.html
>http://www.bacomatic.org/gallery2/v/hidden/dan/dan-cars/album04/A3_late_exhaust.jpg.html
>http://www.bacomatic.org/gallery2/v/hidden/dan/dan-cars/album04/B351_exhaust.jpg.html
>http://www.bacomatic.org/gallery2/v/hidden/dan/dan-cars/album04/C302B_late_exhaust.jpg.html
>
>Safe thing to do is to send him a header gasket for your heads:
>
>Fel Pro p/n 1417: A3 cylinder heads (1.94" diameter round port size)
>Fel Pro p/n 1431: B351/C302 cylinder heads (1.81" diameter round port size)
>Fel Pro p/n 1433: Yates cylinder heads (1.86" x 1.68" port size)
>
>Dan Jones



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