[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 64, Issue 20

Fri Nov 20 11:11:40 EST 2009

Detomaso company now alive? No pantera ? Just crossover and luxury coupes.
Bob 

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   1. Very little Pantera content- Working? or Not Working?
      (Larry Weston)
   2. Profoundly stupid product on Amazon (NPC) (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
   3. Re: Very little Pantera content (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
   4. Re: Very little Pantera content (doug sedon)
   5.  Very little Pantera content (Matt Bradley)
   6. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
   7.  Very little Pantera content (Larry Finch)
   8. Re: Very little Pantera content- Working? or Not Working?
      (michael at michaelshortt.com)
   9. Re: Very little Pantera content (Peter Kovacs)
  10. Re: Very little Pantera content (michael frazier)
  11. Re: Very little Pantera content (doug sedon)
  12. Re: Very little Pantera content (Will Demelo)
  13. Re: Absolutely No Pantera Content (Julian Kift)
  14. Very little Pantera content (Garth Rodericks)
  15. Re: Very little Pantera content (Brent Stewart)
  16. Re: Very little Pantera content (michael at michaelshortt.com)
  17. Re: Very little Pantera content (Peter Kovacs)
  18. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
  19. Re: Very little Pantera content (Will Demelo)
  20. Re: Profoundly stupid product on Amazon (NPC) (Asa Jay Laughton)
  21. Profoundly stupid product on Amazon (NPC) (Garth Rodericks)
  22. Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Barry Seib)
  23. Re: Very little Pantera content (pantdino at aol.com)
  24. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (bill gaino)
  25. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Ken Green)
  26. Re: Very little Pantera content (Larry - Ohio Time Corp)
  27. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Barry Seib)
  28. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Will Demelo)
  29. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
  30. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Tomas Gunnarsson)
  31. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Ken Green)
  32. Re: Very little Pantera content (pantdino at aol.com)
  33. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Ken Green)
  34. Re: Very little Pantera content (Will Demelo)
  35. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Barry Seib)
  36. Re: Very little Pantera content (michael frazier)
  37. Re: Very little Pantera content (pantdino at aol.com)
  38. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (wkooiman at earthlink.net)
  39. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Ken Green)
  40. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Ken Green)
  41. Re: Very little Pantera content (pantdino at aol.com)
  42. Re: Very little Pantera content (Mad Dog Antenucci)
  43. Re: Very little Pantera content (Daniel Miller)
  44. Re: Very little Pantera content (Mad Dog Antenucci)
  45. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  46. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  47. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  48. Re: Very little Pantera content (pantdino at aol.com)
  49. Re: Very little Pantera content (michael at michaelshortt.com)
  50. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Ken Green)
  51. Re: Very little Pantera content (Gray Gregory)
  52. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Barry Seib)
  53. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
  54. Re: Very little Pantera content (gow2 at rc-tech.net)
  55. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
  56. Re: Very little Pantera content (gow2 at rc-tech.net)
  57. Re: Very little Pantera content (Will Demelo)
  58. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Barry Seib)
  59. Re: Very little Pantera content (Peter Kovacs)
  60. Re: Profoundly stupid product on Amazon (NPC) (JJD1010 at aol.com)
  61. Re: Very little Pantera content (Bill Lewis)
  62. Re: Very little Pantera content (Mad Dog Antenucci)
  63. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Robert Fluty)
  64. Re: Very little Pantera content (Mad Dog Antenucci)
  65. Re: Very little Pantera content (Gray Gregory)
  66. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
  67. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (John Taphorn)
  68. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
  69. Re: Pantera content - dual disc clutches (Asa Jay Laughton)
  70.  Pantera content - dual disc clutches (David Nunn)
  71. Re: Very little Pantera content (Will Demelo)
  72. Re: Very little Pantera content (pantdino at aol.com)
  73. Re: Very little Pantera content (Bill Lewis)
  74. Re: Very little Pantera content (Bill Lewis)
  75. Re: Very little Pantera content (Bill Lewis)
  76. Re: Very little Pantera content (Asa Jay Laughton)
  77. Re: Very little Pantera content (Asa Jay Laughton)
  78. Re: ? Pantera content - dual disc clutches (JDeRyke at aol.com)
  79. Re: dual disc clutches (JDeRyke at aol.com)
  80. Re: Very little Pantera content (Ken Green)
  81. Re: Very little Pantera content (Peter Kovacs)
  82.  Very little Pantera content-what triggered it (Peter Kovacs)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:46:00 -0500
From: Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content- Working? or Not
	Working?
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <SNT127-W410DD8E4F8B46D5473367FDAA20 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Well, he's been on the job barely ten full months now, a bit over twenty
percent of his term. Equating that to a standard 5 day work week, it's now
early Tuesday morning. If I started a job with a messy inbox as full as his,
almost ALL of left behind by my predecessor, and my boss expected it cleared
by day two, I'd quit.Let's see how he's doing around Wednesday lunch time.
In the meantime, yeah, things are slow around here. But, almost 4000 miles
on the Pantera this year, a new record for me. Larry. 
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:26:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: Pantera Web <detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <621472.72937.qm at web80402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

OK... first let me say I'm not looking for a pissing match! I don't care
what side of the fence your on.
?
Just asking a simple question....hows?Pres. B.O.s?Hope and Change working
for you?
?
Working?or Not Working?
?
Now the Pantera content...Hope and Change?has cut my Pantera activity down
to slim and none.
?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:31:48 EST
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Profoundly stupid product on Amazon (NPC)
To: detomaso at realbig.com
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi guys,

No Pantera content here, but worth a good laugh.

Amazon is selling one of the dumbest products ever to come down the pike--a 
steering wheel desk that enables you to make productive use of your driving 
time by working on your laptop from behind the wheel!!!

The hilarious thing is that Amazon allows 'customers' to provide their own 
images to accompany those of the actual vendor.   Lots of public-spirited 
citizens have chosen to do so.   Here, check it out!

http://tinyurl.com/yfl7tsv

Mike

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:48:21 -0500
From: "Larry - Ohio Time Corp" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: "'Christopher Kimball'" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>,
	<cuvee at sbcglobal.net>,	"'Pantera List Serve'"
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Message-ID: <S560025AbZKSNst/20091119134856Z+584 at realbig.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Looking on the bright side. With only being able to eat one meal a day I
have lost some weight.

Larry (it was to get EZer at this age) - Cleveland

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Behalf Of Christopher Kimball
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:58 PM
To: cuvee at sbcglobal.net; Pantera List Serve
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content

I wish I could tread gingerly on this subject, but as a Certified Financial
Planner with a Masters degree in Financial Services, I'll give you one guess
as to how I feel about what the Government is currently doing...

Chris

> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:26:53 -0800
> From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
> 
> OK... first let me say I'm not looking for a pissing match! I don't care
what side of the fence your on.
>  
> Just asking a simple question....hows Pres. B.O.s Hope and Change working
for you?
>  
> Working or Not Working?
>  
> Now the Pantera content...Hope and Change has cut my Pantera activity down
to slim and none.
>  
> Curt 
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:33:57 -0800 (PST)
From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
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i love all this talk about what the present gu'mmint is doing.  what a
short-term memory everyone has, about the fact that the prior
administration's policies are what caused the bottom to fall out of the
economy:  deregulation, tax cuts, borrow-n-spend out the a**.  while i would
have preferred to see it actually happen - let the bottom truly fall out,
and let the chips fall where they may, most folks, even those who rant
against the bailouts, stimulus, etc., would actually be appalled at the
results of not having the bailouts/stimulus/etc.  imagine no one being able
to get a loan for anything, businesses folding left & right, unemployment at
+30%...  

the ponzi-scheme of borrow & spend, run rampant ever since reaganomics, is
finally coming home to roost.  which is why i am against the present
bailouts & stimuli - the sooner the bottom falls out, the less painful the
mess will be.  even if it's wery painful - pushing it out will yust make it
worse.  but NO politician, NO political party, makes no difference which
one, wants the bottom to fall out on THEIR shift.

and, all those throwing rocks at the present administration, don't kid
yourself.  it the other party were in control, the economic policy we now
have would be pretty-much the same.

doug s.,
#2602

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:51:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Bradley <apollo73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso]  Very little Pantera content
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Message-ID: <213562.43473.qm at web53110.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I know the popular thing is to continue to blame Bush for all of Obama's
woes, but the truth is that a big part of this goes back to the Cilnton
administration, Alan Greenspan and congress (many of whom are still in
office acting like they had nothing to do with it).  Look up credit default
swaps and see what I mean.  Or read this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/60minutes/main4546199.shtml

>doug sedon sedon
>Thu Nov 19 08:33:57 CST 2009
>
>what a short-term memory everyone has, about the fact that the prior
>administration's policies are what caused the bottom to fall out of the
>economy

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:57:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>,	doug sedon
	<sedond at yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <969218.97960.qm at web30803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Doug,
?
??? I totally agree with you, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are much more
responsible for the melt down than the present administration.? Of course we
need to give Acorn major credit for working hard to get loans for anyone
including bordello operators and cartoon characters (whom they also
registered to vote).? 
?
??? I blame it all on the environmentalists who get secret funding from the
Middle East to keep us from developing nuclear power.? It's clear that all
the money spent this year to pay off political supporters could have been
used to build nuclear power plants to make us energy independent so we don't
get sucked into future wars in the Middle East.? I say go shoot a tree
hugger and save the world.
?
Ken

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: "de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 6:33 AM

i love all this talk about what the present gu'mmint is doing.? what a
short-term memory everyone has, about the fact that the prior
administration's policies are what caused the bottom to fall out of the
economy:? deregulation, tax cuts, borrow-n-spend out the a**.? while i would
have preferred to see it actually happen - let the bottom truly fall out,
and let the chips fall where they may, most folks, even those who rant
against the bailouts, stimulus, etc., would actually be appalled at the
results of not having the bailouts/stimulus/etc.? imagine no one being able
to get a loan for anything, businesses folding left & right, unemployment at
+30%...? 

the ponzi-scheme of borrow & spend, run rampant ever since reaganomics, is
finally coming home to roost.? which is why i am against the present
bailouts & stimuli - the sooner the bottom falls out, the less painful the
mess will be.? even if it's wery painful - pushing it out will yust make it
worse.? but NO politician, NO political party, makes no difference which
one, wants the bottom to fall out on THEIR shift.

and, all those throwing rocks at the present administration, don't kid
yourself.? it the other party were in control, the economic policy we now
have would be pretty-much the same.

doug s.,
#2602

? ? ? 
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:03:00 -0800
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso]  Very little Pantera content
To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
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I blame it all on the environmentalists who get secret funding from  
the Middle East to keep us from developing nuclear power.

ROFLMAO !!

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:06:54 -0500
From: "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content- Working? or Not
	Working?
To: Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
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I have no idea if this thread is still active, here's my opinion regardless.

BO is vying with Jimmy Carter to go down as the worst President in US
history.

He was election was a not so much as endorsement of his candidacy as a knee
jerk reaction to the previous administration and the very poor option put
forth by the other majority party.

He had no extraordinary record of accomplishment, was rated as the MOST
liberal member of the Congress in his voting record.

He is an arrogant, self absorbed man who caters to those who feed his ego
and pull his strings.

I say this from personal first hand experience having some interaction with
him and the campaign staff during the election year.

As President, he has accomplished nothing except provide fuel to make this
countr's population  more divisive than ever, giving hope to those too lazy,
stupid or ill prepared
that their state supported slackluster ways will not only be allowed to
continue but that their lifestyles may actually improve under his
watch, while the vast majority of us continue to work to provide for
ourselves and our families with no real need for the federal government
except for National Defense.

Now for the Pantera content, I was told yesterday that I have a first place
trophy waiting on me as a result of the 20th Annual Mustang Club of America
show held in Georgia on Oct 23rd,
I had to leave after judging was complete due to another engagement out of
town.  The Pantera was put into the Ford Competition Class with 4  Cobras,
and  Thunderbolt Lightweight plus a couple I can't remember.  I couldn't
drive my own car to the show and had to trust someone else to do the honors,
my cast was still on the right leg and made getting into/out of the car
almost impossible, there was no chance of driving it.  My cast was removed
last week and while I still haven't driven it again yet, this weekend might
see that happen.

Michael Shortt

Savannah, GA.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Well, he's been on the job barely ten full months now, a bit over twenty
> percent of his term. Equating that to a standard 5 day work week, it's now
> early Tuesday morning. If I started a job with a messy inbox as full as
his,
> almost ALL of left behind by my predecessor, and my boss expected it
cleared
> by day two, I'd quit.Let's see how he's doing around Wednesday lunch time.
> In the meantime, yeah, things are slow around here. But, almost 4000 miles
> on the Pantera this year, a new record for me. Larry.
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:26:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
> To: Pantera Web <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <621472.72937.qm at web80402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> OK... first let me say I'm not looking for a pissing match! I don't care
> what side of the fence your on.
> ?
> Just asking a simple question....hows?Pres. B.O.s?Hope and Change working
> for you?
> ?
> Working?or Not Working?
> ?
> Now the Pantera content...Hope and Change?has cut my Pantera activity down
> to slim and none.
> ?
> Curt?
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:20:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: Matt Bradley <apollo73 at yahoo.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
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Even prior to that our society was on a bad path.?Disposable diapers, paper
plates, cars that were made to fall apart once the last payment was made,
attorneys advertising to compensate you for diseases you didn't know you
had, and the consumers being told the creditors?are evil for the harassing
calls when they are asking to get back the money per the terms the consumer
borrowed them, kids suing their parents for?disciplining them or not buying
them a PS3, adults suing McDonalds for spilling the hot coffee they ordered,
and my favorite, criminals suing the home/business owners for getting hurt
while they were committing criminal activity. As a society, we have been
choosing short term gain over long term benefit for about 40-50 years....and
each administration since then has kept it going.

Curt?knew we couldn't resist taking the bait he was throwing out.

?
Peter Kovacs
209 345-6708 
209?436-2000 fx

________________________________
From: Matt Bradley <apollo73 at yahoo.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 6:51:06 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content

I know the popular thing is to continue to blame Bush for all of Obama's
woes, but the truth is that a big part of this goes back to the Cilnton
administration, Alan Greenspan and congress (many of whom are still in
office acting like they had nothing to do with it).? Look up credit default
swaps and see what I mean.? Or read this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/60minutes/main4546199.shtml

>doug sedon sedon
>Thu Nov 19 08:33:57 CST 2009
>
>what a short-term memory everyone has, about the fact that the prior
>administration's policies are what caused the bottom to fall out of the
>economy

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:55:15 -0600
From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: pantera list <detomaso at realbig.com>
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....hows Pres. B.O.s Hope and Change working for you?   Working or Not
Working?

I HOPE we can ex-CHANGE this "president" (heavy sarcasm) before it's too
late.  So I guess I'd say Not Working for me.

No matter what happens, you can always blame it on Bush.  That Holocaust
thing that didn't really happen?...Bush.
And don't forget Pearl Harbor...Bush there too.

Michael Frazier
Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa - Kinky Friedman for President, even though he can't
walk on water.

> From: chrisvkimball at msn.com
> To: cuvee at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:57:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
> 
> 
> I wish I could tread gingerly on this subject, but as a Certified
Financial Planner with a Masters degree in Financial Services, I'll give you
one guess as to how I feel about what the Government is currently doing...
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:26:53 -0800
> > From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
> > 
> > OK... first let me say I'm not looking for a pissing match! I don't care
what side of the fence your on.
> > 
> > Just asking a simple question....hows Pres. B.O.s Hope and Change
working for you?
> > 
> > Working or Not Working?
> > 
> > Now the Pantera content...Hope and Change has cut my Pantera activity
down to slim and none.
> > 
> > Curt 
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:02:26 -0800 (PST)
From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, de tomaso digest
	<detomaso at realbig.com>
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chris dodd, and barney frank?  don't forget gwb and alan greenspan, the
republican party,
and all the ceo's of all the banks and mortgage companies that pushed
for deregulation.

enwironmentalists get secret funds from from the middle east to keep us
from deweloping nuclear power?  rotflmao!  that is truly funny!  i,
personally, am ok w/nukes
- as soon as you tell me how to safely store the waste and keep it out
of the hands of terrorists.

personally, i think it's the big oil companies that are secretly paying off
the enwirinmentalists - the oil guys like our non-energy independence, and
they like wars - it's all good for their biz, and the biz of their military
industrial complex buddies.  and, what better way to keep the lower classes
busy, then by making the economy so bad that the poor will have no choice
but to join the military?  so the military industrial complex+oil can then
use them to do their dirty work?

if you wanna shoot a tree hugger, better hurry, while there are still
trees.  but don't worry, while everyone here in america is arguing
about global warming, the chinese will have surged so far ahead in
clean energy technology, they will help clean things up, even tho they
are, along w/america, the worst polluters today.  tomorrow will be
different.  and, the usa will also be a third-world in economic
influence; not yust as it is today - the only industrialized nation w/o
universal
healthcare.

doug s.

________________________________
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>; doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 9:57:54 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content

Doug,

    I totally agree with you, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are much more
responsible for the melt down than the present administration.  Of course we
need to give Acorn major credit for working hard to get loans for anyone
including bordello operators and cartoon characters (whom they also
registered to vote).  

    I blame it all on the environmentalists who get secret funding from the
Middle East to keep us from developing nuclear power.  It's clear that all
the money spent this year to pay off political supporters could have been
used to build nuclear power plants to make us energy independent so we don't
get sucked into future wars in the Middle East.  I say go shoot a tree
hugger and save the world.

Ken

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:

>From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
>To: "de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 6:33 AM
>
>
>i love all this talk about what the present gu'mmint is doing.  what a
short-term memory everyone has, about the fact that the prior
administration's policies are what caused the bottom to fall out of the
economy:  deregulation, tax cuts, borrow-n-spend out the a**.  while i would
have preferred to see it actually happen - let the bottom truly fall out,
and let the chips fall where they may, most folks, even those who rant
against the bailouts, stimulus, etc., would actually be appalled at the
results of not having the bailouts/stimulus/etc.  imagine no one being able
to get a loan for anything, businesses folding left & right, unemployment at
+30%...  
>
>the ponzi-scheme of borrow & spend, run rampant ever since reaganomics, is
finally coming home to roost.  which is why i am against the present
bailouts & stimuli - the sooner the bottom falls out, the less painful the
mess will
> be.  even if it's wery painful - pushing it out will yust make it worse.
but NO politician, NO political party, makes no difference which one, wants
the bottom to fall out on THEIR shift.
>
>and, all those throwing rocks at the present administration, don't kid
yourself.  it the other party were in control, the economic policy we now
have would be pretty-much the same.
>
>doug s.,
>#2602
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:23:21 -0500
From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
To: "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com>, "Ken Green"
	<kenn_green at yahoo.com>,	"de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
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EVERY politicians response to any type of question of fault is to blame the 
other party. Same crooked crap from both sides. Same sh$t happens here and 
everywhere else in the world. No accountability. No balls. Filthy lying 
bastards. The whole lot of them
We need to change the subject line from very little to none.
Will
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "doug sedon" <sedond at yahoo.com>
To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "de tomaso digest" 
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content

> chris dodd, and barney frank?  don't forget gwb and alan greenspan, the 
> republican party,
> and all the ceo's of all the banks and mortgage companies that pushed
> for deregulation.
>
> enwironmentalists get secret funds from from the middle east to keep us
> from deweloping nuclear power?  rotflmao!  that is truly funny!  i, 
> personally, am ok w/nukes
> - as soon as you tell me how to safely store the waste and keep it out
> of the hands of terrorists.
>
> personally, i think it's the big oil companies that are secretly paying 
> off the enwirinmentalists - the oil guys like our non-energy independence,

> and they like wars - it's all good for their biz, and the biz of their 
> military industrial complex buddies.  and, what better way to keep the 
> lower classes busy, then by making the economy so bad that the poor will 
> have no choice but to join the military?  so the military industrial 
> complex+oil can then use them to do their dirty work?
>
> if you wanna shoot a tree hugger, better hurry, while there are still
> trees.  but don't worry, while everyone here in america is arguing
> about global warming, the chinese will have surged so far ahead in
> clean energy technology, they will help clean things up, even tho they
> are, along w/america, the worst polluters today.  tomorrow will be 
> different.  and, the usa will also be a third-world in economic
> influence; not yust as it is today - the only industrialized nation w/o 
> universal
> healthcare.
>
> doug s.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>; doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 9:57:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
>
>
> Doug,
>
>    I totally agree with you, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are much more 
> responsible for the melt down than the present administration.  Of course 
> we need to give Acorn major credit for working hard to get loans for 
> anyone including bordello operators and cartoon characters (whom they also

> registered to vote).
>
>    I blame it all on the environmentalists who get secret funding from the

> Middle East to keep us from developing nuclear power.  It's clear that all

> the money spent this year to pay off political supporters could have been 
> used to build nuclear power plants to make us energy independent so we 
> don't get sucked into future wars in the Middle East.  I say go shoot a 
> tree hugger and save the world.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Thu, 11/19/09, doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
>>To: "de tomaso digest" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 6:33 AM
>>
>>
>>i love all this talk about what the present gu'mmint is doing.  what a 
>>short-term memory everyone has, about the fact that the prior 
>>administration's policies are what caused the bottom to fall out of the 
>>economy:  deregulation, tax cuts, borrow-n-spend out the a**.  while i 
>>would have preferred to see it actually happen - let the bottom truly fall

>>out, and let the chips fall where they may, most folks, even those who 
>>rant against the bailouts, stimulus, etc., would actually be appalled at 
>>the results of n
> ot having the bailouts/stimulus/etc.  imagine no one being able to get a 
> loan for anything, businesses folding left & right, unemployment at 
> +30%...
>>
>>the ponzi-scheme of borrow & spend, run rampant ever since reaganomics, is

>>finally coming home to roost.  which is why i am against the present 
>>bailouts & stimuli - the sooner the bottom falls out, the less painful the

>>mess will
>> be.  even if it's wery painful - pushing it out will yust make it worse. 
>> but NO politician, NO political party, makes no difference which one, 
>> wants the bottom to fall out on THEIR shift.
>>
>>and, all those throwing rocks at the present administration, don't kid 
>>yourself.  it the other party were in control, the economic policy we now 
>>have would be pretty-much the same.
>>
>>doug s.,
>>#2602
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:30:55 -0800
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Absolutely No Pantera Content
To: <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>, <sedond at yahoo.com>, <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
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I don't normally get involved in political threads, but the following letter
read on Glenn Beck's show, is rapidly circulating. Americans everywhere
identify with this 53-year-old woman. 

A letter from a woman in Arizona . She writes an open letter to our nation's
leadership:

"I ama home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life.
Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I
no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue
issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents
my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer
feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views
or works to pursue the issues important to me. Instead, we are burdened with
Congressional Dukes and Duchesses who think they know better than the
citizens they are supposed to represent. 

There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell
me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution
as it was written. Please stand up now. 
You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would feel so
horribly disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of
nut-job am I? Well, these briefly are the views and issues for which I seek
representation: 

One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and
secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the
trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done
that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This is not to be confused with
legal immigration.

Two, the STIMULUS bill. I want it repealed and I want no further funding
supplied to it. We told you No, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining
unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three: Czars. I want the circumvention of our constitutional checks and
balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government
officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our
Constitution, and honor it.

Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There are
many conflicting opinions and it is too soon for this radical legislation.
Quitthrowing our nation into politically-correct quicksand.

Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive
decision that will burden me, my children, and grandchildren. Don't you dare
try to pass this in the middle of the night without even reading it. Slow
down! Fix only what is broken -- we have the best health care system in the
world -- and test any new program in one or two states first.

Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully
restored. I want less government in my life, not more. More is not
better!Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care
of with your real [Constitutional] obligations. Why don't you start there.

Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010
census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees
contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes -- how
did they pull that one off? Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates
pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking
the census with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with any of our
taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved
before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck
and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You
work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is
mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because
they gave me jobs-- and that is the only redistribution of wealth that I
will support. I never got a job from a poor person! Why do you want me to
hate my employers? And what do you have against shareholders making a
profit?

Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor
person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local
communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and
our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Every company must sink or swim like
the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just
getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. (Have you
ever ripped off a Band-Aid?) We will pull together. Great things happen in
America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot
disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about
it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some
straight honest talk. Please stop trying to manipulate andappease me with
clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking
around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will
only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from
me.

Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now.
Take a breath. Listen to the people. Slow down and get some input from
nonpoliticians and experts on the subject. Stop making everything an
emergency. Stop speed-reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am
not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent
person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I am busy, and I
am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the
businessof government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our
bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships,
pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and
be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be
the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks
and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are
very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a
speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed
into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. 
It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap
in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as
if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and
how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the
debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the
TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we
still cannot. There is needless urgency and recklessness in all of your
recent spending of our tax dollars.

>From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know
that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your
current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We
want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced
upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold
to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our
vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have
had and money we cannot afford to spend on bringing our concerns to
Washington . Our president often knows all the right buzzwords like
unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did
the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your
overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.

We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we
want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You
work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are
coming. We will be heard and we will be represented.. You think we're so
busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly
silent majority, all of us who quietly work, pay taxes, obey the law, vote,
save money, keep our noses to the grindstone... and we are now looking at
you. 

You have awakened us, the patriotic freedom spirit so strong and so powerful
that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers
are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there,
there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their
trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the
polls on voting day to usher you out of office. 

We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will
find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We
didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in
violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced
with someone who will. There are candidates among us who will rise like a
Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.

Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't
care. Political parties are meaningless to us Patriotic Americans are
willing to do right by us and our Constitution, and that is all that matters
to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It
is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it
and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we
are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not
representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and
consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired.
Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be
loyal to us, not to them.. Because we will get you fired and they will not
save you. 
If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make
your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need
to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the
rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one
by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do
you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming." 

> From: wdemelo at cogeco.ca
> To: sedond at yahoo.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:23:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
> 
> EVERY politicians response to any type of question of fault is to blame
the 
> other party. Same crooked crap from both sides. Same sh$t happens here and

> everywhere else in the world. No accountability. No balls. Filthy lying 
> bastards. The whole lot of them
> We need to change the subject line from very little to none.
> Will

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:31:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content
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One of my favorite pieces on politics and the mess our country is in...

Journalist Charley Reese (now retired) was part
of the Orlando Sentinel's staff for three decades between 1971-2001,
during which time he (among other duties) penned a thrice-weeklycolumn which
was distributed to other newspapers nationwide by King Features Syndicate.
During the 1980s Reese wrote the first version of an editorial opining that
545
people (i.e., the President of the United States, plus all the members of
Congress and the Supreme Court) "are directly, legally, morally and
individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this
country," and he has amended, updated, and republished that piece several
times since then. The version cited below is taken from the 7 March 1995
edition of the Orlando Sentinel, where it ran under the title
"Looking for Someone to Blame? Congress Is a Good Place to Start."

EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS
TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS
MESSAGE.  READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK
ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years. 

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create
problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the
Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against
inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget.  The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on
appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve
Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and
nine Supreme Court justices  545 human
beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and
individually
responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because
that problem was created by the Congress.   In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound
currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a
sound reason. They have no legal authority.   They have no ability to coerce
a senator, a congressman, or a president
to do one cotton-picking thing.  I don't
care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician
has
the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it
is
the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing
you that what they did is not their fault.   They cooperate in this common
con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an
excessive amount of gall.   No normal
human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized
the
President for creating deficits.   The
president can only propose a budget.   He
cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land,
gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating
and
approving appropriations and taxes.    Who is the speaker of the House?
Nancy Pelosi.  She is the leader
of the majority party.   She and fellow
House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the
president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million
can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of
incompetence and irresponsibility.   I
can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to
those 545 people.  When you fully grasp
the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal
government,
then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in
the red.

If the Army and Marines are in IRAQ,
it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite
retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that
way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats,
whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts
and
advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to
regulate
and from whom they can take this power.   Above all, do not let them con you
into the belief that there exists
disembodied mystical forces like "the economy,"
"inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing
what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the
people who are their bosses.

 Provided the voters
have the gumption to manage their own employees.

 We should vote all of
them out of office and clean up their mess!

 Charlie Reese is a
former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

 What you do with this
article now that you have read it is up to you, though you have several
choices:

More to ponder...

This might be funny if it weren't so darned true.
Be sure to read all the way to the end:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom...'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax -     Food License Tax  - Franchisee income
Tax
Fuel Permit Tax - Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax -   Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge T ax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Transient hotel rental tax  -    Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax -      State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service FeeTax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax    Job Training Tax
Workers Compensation Tax-

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100
years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.  We had
absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world,
and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'
And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:47:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
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Don't you dare blame congress.  They are merely the elected officials that
WE put in there.  Point that finger right back at yourself, your neighbor,
and everyone else you come across...

BTW, if there is any incumbent still in the CA congress after the next
election, WE are the idiots...

________________________________
From: Garth Rodericks <garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>
To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 8:31:32 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Very little Pantera content

One of my favorite pieces on politics and the mess our country is in...

Journalist Charley Reese (now retired) was part
of the Orlando Sentinel's staff for three decades between 1971-2001,
during which time he (among other duties) penned a thrice-weeklycolumn which
was distributed to other newspapers nationwide by King Features Syndicate.
During the 1980s Reese wrote the first version of an editorial opining that
545
people (i.e., the President of the United States, plus all the members of
Congress and the Supreme Court) "are directly, legally, morally and
individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this
country," and he has amended, updated, and republished that piece several
times since then. The version cited below is taken from the 7 March 1995
edition of the Orlando Sentinel, where it ran under the title
"Looking for Someone to Blame? Congress Is a Good Place to Start."

EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS
TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS
MESSAGE.  READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK
ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years. 

545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese