[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket

Thomas Tornblom Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
Sat Nov 28 13:57:05 EST 2009


Ken Green skrev:
> This is intereesting reading:
>  
> http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tech_tips/Tech_Tips_6.htm

Yes, 100gph appears to be required, so one 55gph pump per head. Seems 
consistent with the comments I've received.

Thomas

>  
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> To: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 9:42 AM
> 
> 
> Hmm, well Kirby, I think you're going to have to enter the Big Bend Open 
> Road Race this next year in order to test it at ORR speeds for extended 
> periods of time "autobahn style" in order for us to really know.
> 
> But in seriousness, I think Jack's question is the most relevant.  What 
> is rated capacity of a stock mechanical pump being driven by a belt at 
> 6,000 engine RPM.  If we knew that number, we could do a side by side 
> comparison of the electric which we know has an advertised capacity of 
> 55 GPM.  After that, empirical testing is required.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> 
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> 
> 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
> 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
>     
> ******************************     
> http://www.asajay.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
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> 
> 
> 
> Kirby Schrader wrote:
>> My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
>>
>>
>> On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
>>>      
>>>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
>>>>        
>>> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others that had 
>>> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump they were using.
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Tomas
>>>>        
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>      
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
>>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com>; <fnoonan at gmail.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>; <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <sobill at aol.com>; <thomas.tornblom at hax.se>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>          
>>>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and what went wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer electric pumps on 
>>>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water pump failing 
>>>>>> and that's the first electric.
>>>>>>            
>>>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the autobahn, and I 
>>>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received private mails 
>>>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems. Working fine 
>>>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an electric 
>>>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that 
>>>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b) set up with 
>>>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the road if 
>>>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side of the road?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discussion can be found here;
>>>>>> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>            
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
>>>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
>>>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>>>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; rkmosier at aol.com; fnoonan at gmail.com; 
>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; sobill at aol.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
>>>>>> dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Thomas,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of that. I received 
>>>>>>     some private comments to this effect when there was talk about this a 
>>>>>>     few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump without problems 
>>>>>>     in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany and had to go back 
>>>>>>     to the mechanical pump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Julian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
>>>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>
>>>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>; SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>; fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>; 
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>         detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly shorten a pump
>>>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over email and I
>>>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for a flatter
>>>>>>>> fire wall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>, RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
>>>>>>>> (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York mounting bracket.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
>>>>>>>> sobill at aol.com <mailto:sobill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or knows
>>>>>>>> where I could info on it?
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
>>>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
>>>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
>>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
>>>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by Pantera East,
>>>>>>>> also sold
>>>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
>>>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
>>>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>, _detomaso at realbig.com_ 
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>         (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in Colorado. The
>>>>>>>> Compressor
>>>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
>>>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It's made by ZEXEL
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
>>>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering. I.C.E. P/N 
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>         2521152
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
>>>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove on the
>>>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don't
>>>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>
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