[DeTomaso] Hawks Racing

Sat Nov 14 09:34:53 EST 2009

What a conundrum!  Do you go to Wal-Mart and buy a shirt for  $5.00, made in China (which put the thousands of textile workers in America out of jobs), or go to some buy-American shop and pay $15.00!!!!
And, the same goes for every other product that we buy from China - but the real Catch 22 is that we are sending boucou USA dollars to them, then they loan them back to us.  Then what happens when they call the notes due.
I fear for America in 50-75 years.  Greed goeth before a fall!  We are spending our  future generation's lives.

> From: kirby.schrader at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:55:45 +0800
> To: charlesmccall at gmail.com
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Hawks Racing
> 
> Charlie,
> 
> I agree with you.  You have stated what I wanted to much better than I did/could!
> :-)
> 
> The 'borrowed' IP is the biggest downside.
> 
> There are LOTS of interesting stories about that side of the manufacturing side of China.
> Some absolute classics best told over a beer....
> 
> Kirby
> 
> On 14 Nov 2009, at 6:25 PM, Charles McCall wrote:
> 
> > Companies I have spoken to who source things from China comment that they
> > find more defective parts in Chinese-sourced material than in Western
> > sourced material. They include extra incoming inspection to avoid passing
> > defects on to the final customer. Even with this extra cost, they come out
> > far ahead based on labor costs.
> > 
> > They attribute this to various factors. The cost of labor is so low that it
> > is difficult to financially justify installing much automation. The
> > processes are VERY manual. In the West, we would install a robot or some
> > sort of automated line that repeats the same job over and over, without
> > tiring, and without making mistakes. People are human, turnover is high in
> > China, and an army of 5000 manual laborers will make more mistakes than a
> > robot. I've seen the inside of 3 or 4 factories in China, and there is VERY
> > little in terms of tooling, go/no-go gauges, automation, etc. 
> > 
> > The Chinese also tend to, um, borrow the intellectual property of the parts
> > they are making and then try to market them without the QC controls of the
> > parent company. Without the QC restrictions, the price may come down but the
> > quality may be affected. Hence, buying a computer made by Apple in China is
> > one thing, but buying an "Apple" that a Chinese company stole the design and
> > is building on their own without Apple's supervision and can sell for less,
> > may not be the bargain it appears to be. 
> > 
> > 
> > Charles McCall
> > 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> > "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
> > http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
> > 
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> > nombre de Kirby Schrader
> > Enviado el: sábado, 14 de noviembre de 2009 10:54
> > Para: Daniel C Jones
> > CC: Pantera REALBIG forum
> > Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Hawks Racing
> > 
> > 
> > I'd like to comment on the 'cheap Chinese' thing I keep seeing and
> > hearing...
> > 
> > I'm not defending the Chinese, but things are what you spec them as.
> > 
> > The Chinese build most every computer you touch your fingers to these days.
> > I'm using an Apple MacBook Pro which has served me for over three years now
> > with nary a glitch. Many of the components and tools used in the oil
> > industry are Chinese built/manufactured.
> > 
> > Why? Labor costs.
> > 
> > If you spec the material and the build and manage the QA/QC, the stuff that
> > comes out of China is first rate.
> > 
> > If you want it 'cheap', they'll build it cheap. It's really up to the
> > probably American company that provides the specs (or lack thereof) for
> > whatever it is being made.
> > 
> > Yes, I've seen some REALLY cheap stuff come out of China. Pipe wrenches that
> > look like a dyed in the wool Rigid pipe wrench, but the first time you took
> > a bite on a piece of pipe, the teeth all fell off...
> > 
> > I'm old enough to remember when Japanese stuff was considered cheap and
> > crappy!
> > 
> > Sigh...
> > 
> > My for what it's worth today,
> > Kirby
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 14 Nov 2009, at 4:46 AM, Daniel C Jones wrote:
> > 
> >>> Anyone have any firsthand experience with parts from Hawks Racing?
> >>> Quality parts made in the US? Cheap Chinese parts of questionable
> > quality?
> >> 
> >> Run away!  Cheap Chinese parts of questionable quality.
> >> They don't know the difference between a Cleveland and a
> >> Windsor and their 4" stroke cranks will not fit a Cleveland
> >> without expensive re-work.
> >> 
> >> Dan Jones
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