[DeTomaso] Hawks Racing

Sat Nov 14 06:29:35 EST 2009

Its not just about China. Our regulation, taxes, unions an general
complexity of business in the US is crippling. With what the government is
doing we'll all be in the bread lines soon.

I am trying to get through airports right now on vacation an I can't
understan why anyone would fly airlines anymore or why anyone would wonder
why airline business is down.

There future outlook for this country is prety bleak right now

Send from blackberry; soon to be thown into the ocean from a small island!

Gary

> Charlie,
>
> I agree with you.  You have stated what I wanted to much better than I
> did/could!
> :-)
>
> The 'borrowed' IP is the biggest downside.
>
> There are LOTS of interesting stories about that side of the manufacturing
> side of China.
> Some absolute classics best told over a beer....
>
> Kirby
>
> On 14 Nov 2009, at 6:25 PM, Charles McCall wrote:
>
>> Companies I have spoken to who source things from China comment that
>> they
>> find more defective parts in Chinese-sourced material than in Western
>> sourced material. They include extra incoming inspection to avoid
>> passing
>> defects on to the final customer. Even with this extra cost, they come
>> out
>> far ahead based on labor costs.
>>
>> They attribute this to various factors. The cost of labor is so low that
>> it
>> is difficult to financially justify installing much automation. The
>> processes are VERY manual. In the West, we would install a robot or some
>> sort of automated line that repeats the same job over and over, without
>> tiring, and without making mistakes. People are human, turnover is high
>> in
>> China, and an army of 5000 manual laborers will make more mistakes than
>> a
>> robot. I've seen the inside of 3 or 4 factories in China, and there is
>> VERY
>> little in terms of tooling, go/no-go gauges, automation, etc.
>>
>> The Chinese also tend to, um, borrow the intellectual property of the
>> parts
>> they are making and then try to market them without the QC controls of
>> the
>> parent company. Without the QC restrictions, the price may come down but
>> the
>> quality may be affected. Hence, buying a computer made by Apple in China
>> is
>> one thing, but buying an "Apple" that a Chinese company stole the design
>> and
>> is building on their own without Apple's supervision and can sell for
>> less,
>> may not be the bargain it appears to be.
>>
>>
>> Charles McCall
>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
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>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> En
>> nombre de Kirby Schrader
>> Enviado el: sábado, 14 de noviembre de 2009 10:54
>> Para: Daniel C Jones
>> CC: Pantera REALBIG forum
>> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Hawks Racing
>>
>>
>> I'd like to comment on the 'cheap Chinese' thing I keep seeing and
>> hearing...
>>
>> I'm not defending the Chinese, but things are what you spec them as.
>>
>> The Chinese build most every computer you touch your fingers to these
>> days.
>> I'm using an Apple MacBook Pro which has served me for over three years
>> now
>> with nary a glitch. Many of the components and tools used in the oil
>> industry are Chinese built/manufactured.
>>
>> Why? Labor costs.
>>
>> If you spec the material and the build and manage the QA/QC, the stuff
>> that
>> comes out of China is first rate.
>>
>> If you want it 'cheap', they'll build it cheap. It's really up to the
>> probably American company that provides the specs (or lack thereof) for
>> whatever it is being made.
>>
>> Yes, I've seen some REALLY cheap stuff come out of China. Pipe wrenches
>> that
>> look like a dyed in the wool Rigid pipe wrench, but the first time you
>> took
>> a bite on a piece of pipe, the teeth all fell off...
>>
>> I'm old enough to remember when Japanese stuff was considered cheap and
>> crappy!
>>
>> Sigh...
>>
>> My for what it's worth today,
>> Kirby
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 Nov 2009, at 4:46 AM, Daniel C Jones wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyone have any firsthand experience with parts from Hawks Racing?
>>>> Quality parts made in the US? Cheap Chinese parts of questionable
>> quality?
>>>
>>> Run away!  Cheap Chinese parts of questionable quality.
>>> They don't know the difference between a Cleveland and a
>>> Windsor and their 4" stroke cranks will not fit a Cleveland
>>> without expensive re-work.
>>>
>>> Dan Jones
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