[DeTomaso] Hawks Racing

[Kirby Schrader]

Charlie,

I agree with you.  You have stated what I wanted to much better than I did/could!
:-)

The 'borrowed' IP is the biggest downside.

There are LOTS of interesting stories about that side of the manufacturing side of China.
Some absolute classics best told over a beer....

Kirby

On 14 Nov 2009, at 6:25 PM, Charles McCall wrote:

> Companies I have spoken to who source things from China comment that they
> find more defective parts in Chinese-sourced material than in Western
> sourced material. They include extra incoming inspection to avoid passing
> defects on to the final customer. Even with this extra cost, they come out
> far ahead based on labor costs.
> 
> They attribute this to various factors. The cost of labor is so low that it
> is difficult to financially justify installing much automation. The
> processes are VERY manual. In the West, we would install a robot or some
> sort of automated line that repeats the same job over and over, without
> tiring, and without making mistakes. People are human, turnover is high in
> China, and an army of 5000 manual laborers will make more mistakes than a
> robot. I've seen the inside of 3 or 4 factories in China, and there is VERY
> little in terms of tooling, go/no-go gauges, automation, etc. 
> 
> The Chinese also tend to, um, borrow the intellectual property of the parts
> they are making and then try to market them without the QC controls of the
> parent company. Without the QC restrictions, the price may come down but the
> quality may be affected. Hence, buying a computer made by Apple in China is
> one thing, but buying an "Apple" that a Chinese company stole the design and
> is building on their own without Apple's supervision and can sell for less,
> may not be the bargain it appears to be. 
> 
> 
> Charles McCall
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
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> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
> nombre de Kirby Schrader
> Enviado el: sábado, 14 de noviembre de 2009 10:54
> Para: Daniel C Jones
> CC: Pantera REALBIG forum
> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Hawks Racing
> 
> 
> I'd like to comment on the 'cheap Chinese' thing I keep seeing and
> hearing...
> 
> I'm not defending the Chinese, but things are what you spec them as.
> 
> The Chinese build most every computer you touch your fingers to these days.
> I'm using an Apple MacBook Pro which has served me for over three years now
> with nary a glitch. Many of the components and tools used in the oil
> industry are Chinese built/manufactured.
> 
> Why? Labor costs.
> 
> If you spec the material and the build and manage the QA/QC, the stuff that
> comes out of China is first rate.
> 
> If you want it 'cheap', they'll build it cheap. It's really up to the
> probably American company that provides the specs (or lack thereof) for
> whatever it is being made.
> 
> Yes, I've seen some REALLY cheap stuff come out of China. Pipe wrenches that
> look like a dyed in the wool Rigid pipe wrench, but the first time you took
> a bite on a piece of pipe, the teeth all fell off...
> 
> I'm old enough to remember when Japanese stuff was considered cheap and
> crappy!
> 
> Sigh...
> 
> My for what it's worth today,
> Kirby
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 Nov 2009, at 4:46 AM, Daniel C Jones wrote:
> 
>>> Anyone have any firsthand experience with parts from Hawks Racing?
>>> Quality parts made in the US? Cheap Chinese parts of questionable
> quality?
>> 
>> Run away!  Cheap Chinese parts of questionable quality.
>> They don't know the difference between a Cleveland and a
>> Windsor and their 4" stroke cranks will not fit a Cleveland
>> without expensive re-work.
>> 
>> Dan Jones
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