[DeTomaso] Hawks Racing

[Charles McCall]

Companies I have spoken to who source things from China comment that they
find more defective parts in Chinese-sourced material than in Western
sourced material. They include extra incoming inspection to avoid passing
defects on to the final customer. Even with this extra cost, they come out
far ahead based on labor costs.

They attribute this to various factors. The cost of labor is so low that it
is difficult to financially justify installing much automation. The
processes are VERY manual. In the West, we would install a robot or some
sort of automated line that repeats the same job over and over, without
tiring, and without making mistakes. People are human, turnover is high in
China, and an army of 5000 manual laborers will make more mistakes than a
robot. I've seen the inside of 3 or 4 factories in China, and there is VERY
little in terms of tooling, go/no-go gauges, automation, etc. 

The Chinese also tend to, um, borrow the intellectual property of the parts
they are making and then try to market them without the QC controls of the
parent company. Without the QC restrictions, the price may come down but the
quality may be affected. Hence, buying a computer made by Apple in China is
one thing, but buying an "Apple" that a Chinese company stole the design and
is building on their own without Apple's supervision and can sell for less,
may not be the bargain it appears to be. 


Charles McCall
1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
"Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
nombre de Kirby Schrader
Enviado el: sábado, 14 de noviembre de 2009 10:54
Para: Daniel C Jones
CC: Pantera REALBIG forum
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Hawks Racing


I'd like to comment on the 'cheap Chinese' thing I keep seeing and
hearing...

I'm not defending the Chinese, but things are what you spec them as.

The Chinese build most every computer you touch your fingers to these days.
I'm using an Apple MacBook Pro which has served me for over three years now
with nary a glitch. Many of the components and tools used in the oil
industry are Chinese built/manufactured.

Why? Labor costs.

If you spec the material and the build and manage the QA/QC, the stuff that
comes out of China is first rate.

If you want it 'cheap', they'll build it cheap. It's really up to the
probably American company that provides the specs (or lack thereof) for
whatever it is being made.

Yes, I've seen some REALLY cheap stuff come out of China. Pipe wrenches that
look like a dyed in the wool Rigid pipe wrench, but the first time you took
a bite on a piece of pipe, the teeth all fell off...

I'm old enough to remember when Japanese stuff was considered cheap and
crappy!

Sigh...

My for what it's worth today,
Kirby



On 14 Nov 2009, at 4:46 AM, Daniel C Jones wrote:

>> Anyone have any firsthand experience with parts from Hawks Racing?
>> Quality parts made in the US? Cheap Chinese parts of questionable
quality?
> 
> Run away!  Cheap Chinese parts of questionable quality.
> They don't know the difference between a Cleveland and a
> Windsor and their 4" stroke cranks will not fit a Cleveland
> without expensive re-work.
> 
> Dan Jones
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